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So if white people were assholes less, things would be better? And we can extend that philosophy to everybody? I can dig it.showa58taro wrote:There’s no argument from me that all crime is bad crime. And I’m all for fixing any crime we can any way we can. My point was purely that the increase in violent crime seems to have two root causes. The increase in white supremacy resulting in more white people murdering minorities is linked to a rise in white supremacy and equivocation and so can be tempered by that. The rise in black people killing black peoples is linked to Head’s point about institutional racism that continues to keep the black community in particular in poverty and in neighborhoods that then become more prone to violence and which is harder to escape because of it. Added to that, white police abuse of black people in areas of higher density black populations has less to the Ferguson effect, where a statistically significant decline in the rate of phoning the police has been observed. This likely due to black people not perceiving police as just, and not trusting them. Thus increasing crime and likelihood of violence as there’s lower likelihood of police involvement.Reign in Blood wrote:What is the argument anyways? White on black (minority) crime is a problem. Some people think black on black crime is a bigger problem. Problems all, fix em.
There is other violent crime that is not related to either of those two and which would be solved by removing guns, but everyone is dug in on that front so I can’t see merit in discussing it.
It’s definitely be a good start.Reign in Blood wrote:So if white people were assholes less, things would be better? And we can extend that philosophy to everybody? I can dig it.showa58taro wrote:There’s no argument from me that all crime is bad crime. And I’m all for fixing any crime we can any way we can. My point was purely that the increase in violent crime seems to have two root causes. The increase in white supremacy resulting in more white people murdering minorities is linked to a rise in white supremacy and equivocation and so can be tempered by that. The rise in black people killing black peoples is linked to Head’s point about institutional racism that continues to keep the black community in particular in poverty and in neighborhoods that then become more prone to violence and which is harder to escape because of it. Added to that, white police abuse of black people in areas of higher density black populations has less to the Ferguson effect, where a statistically significant decline in the rate of phoning the police has been observed. This likely due to black people not perceiving police as just, and not trusting them. Thus increasing crime and likelihood of violence as there’s lower likelihood of police involvement.Reign in Blood wrote:What is the argument anyways? White on black (minority) crime is a problem. Some people think black on black crime is a bigger problem. Problems all, fix em.
There is other violent crime that is not related to either of those two and which would be solved by removing guns, but everyone is dug in on that front so I can’t see merit in discussing it.
It’s their fault that there was doubt in many people’s minds.Jason wrote:It's the cops faults that OJ killed folks and got away with it.
Poor Orange Juice.
That was the rationale that ran rampant. Cops out to get a successful black man.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
a successful black man that beat his wife several times. and was even arrested at least once, for it. no contest. the fact that he got off for the murders was all the lawyers and his status.showa58taro wrote:That was the rationale that ran rampant. Cops out to get a successful black man.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
i think it was about oj's money and status. if a working class guy, white or black, had a history of beating his wife and then she turned up dead, no amount of doubt in the cops would have gotten him off.Headhunter wrote:I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
We're not talking about the same thing.zombie wrote:i think it was about oj's money and status. if a working class guy, white or black, had a history of beating his wife and then she turned up dead, no amount of doubt in the cops would have gotten him off.Headhunter wrote:I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
well, if the doubt was related to his skin color... then maybe we should take a look at ourselves and how much stock we put into others who happen to share traits with us. if treating an innocent man like a criminal for their skin color is bad (and it is, without doubt), then covering for, or excusing, a fuck ass wife beater because of his skin color should also be bad. both should be called out.Headhunter wrote:We're not talking about the same thing.zombie wrote:i think it was about oj's money and status. if a working class guy, white or black, had a history of beating his wife and then she turned up dead, no amount of doubt in the cops would have gotten him off.Headhunter wrote:I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
It's not the skin color. It's the historical precedent of how people with that skin color are treated.zombie wrote:well, if the doubt was related to his skin color... then maybe we should take a look at ourselves and how much stock we put into others who happen to share traits with us. if treating an innocent man like a criminal for their skin color is bad (and it is, without doubt), then covering for, or excusing, a fuck ass wife beater because of his skin color should also be bad. both should be called out.Headhunter wrote:We're not talking about the same thing.zombie wrote:i think it was about oj's money and status. if a working class guy, white or black, had a history of beating his wife and then she turned up dead, no amount of doubt in the cops would have gotten him off.Headhunter wrote:I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.
so how do you solve it? how do you get people to not excuse or cover for violent criminals and murderers that share their skin color or their gender or religion/political affiliation, whatever?Headhunter wrote:It's not the skin color. It's the historical precedent of how people with that skin color are treated.zombie wrote:well, if the doubt was related to his skin color... then maybe we should take a look at ourselves and how much stock we put into others who happen to share traits with us. if treating an innocent man like a criminal for their skin color is bad (and it is, without doubt), then covering for, or excusing, a fuck ass wife beater because of his skin color should also be bad. both should be called out.Headhunter wrote:We're not talking about the same thing.zombie wrote:i think it was about oj's money and status. if a working class guy, white or black, had a history of beating his wife and then she turned up dead, no amount of doubt in the cops would have gotten him off.Headhunter wrote:I said why in the post.zombie wrote:it was oj's money and celebrity status, and lawyers cause he could afford them, that caused the doubt. nicole was attacked by oj several times, over the years, before the murders, so i don't understand why any blame would fall to the cops, as far as doubt goes.