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zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:Unless you're a woman or a minority.

Out of curiosity, when were the better times to be a woman or a minority?

In this piece of shit country, there really weren't any. Unlike Seb, I don't think Obama was any good for the common American either.

This hate is robbing you of your life, sir.

That'd be capitalism.

Let's say this is true. Are you going to spend your whole life complaining about a rigged game, or are you going to play the game society demands and live your best life?

I mean, I wouldn't mind if people gave me everything I need, but that is not going to happen, so I go out and do my best in the world we live in.

first: don't think capitalism is the problem in itself. greed is the problem.

Show me capitalism without inherent greed and inequality, and I'll stop being a socialist.

no you won't. you won't accept that capitalism can exist without greed or inequality. you will insist that socialism done badly is not the fault of the system, but when capitalism is done badly it must always be the fault of the system.

I agree, capitalism is a bad system inherently and should be abolished.

you agree with how i characterized you? awesome.

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Headhunter wrote:*deep inhale*

Why would you box yourself into defending that lunatic?

Because this country is so divided that we even try to find a way to stick up for the bad people on whatever side people agree with.

It is not really though. I have not disowned a single person for their politics.

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Foo wrote:

Jmac Attack wrote:

Foo wrote:

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Reign in Blood wrote:

Foo wrote:Just compare the way parks looked after tea party events to how the lefties leave them. Speaks volumes...

Nasty women.

Charlottesville had a right winger run his car into a crowd that killed a girl. And that girl was in a walking mall area (they were not blocking traffic). Same type of area my wife works.

Good Ol' Boys.

Uh, they were absolutely blocking traffic. What does where your wife works have to do with a group of professional protesters setting up a traffic barricade with their bodies?

Dude plowed into a crowd, obviously wrong, but let's not act like they were bystanders. It was protestors blocking an area. Did he ram them with premeditation or did he fear for his life? That is the only question.

It's a walking mall. No one was blocking anything. And regarding my wife, I should have been more clear. I've been in a walking mall a million times. Where he started and where he ended would be impossible without intent.

*Dude plowed into a crowd, obviously wrong ", but then you paint him as possibly being the victim. If that was your daughter, I think you would side with me. Or would you be sympathetic to the murderer? Conservatives are right, you don't need guns to kill! Hehe

My daughter would be working, not part of a liberal mob, so she would be fine.

Why were there cars in this "walking mall"?

Around the edges of it, they are allowed for parking etc. No one is cruising for chicks in these areas. Did he not go fast through the crowd? And did he not travel a decent distance? You would maybe have a point if they were blocking a freeway. This guys car was stopped. Then he ran his car through the crowd.

Here is the scene as captured from a drone above. Do you not see they are packed into an intersection, with cars around trying to get through? You can even see a car in the midst of turning around in the middle of the road because they were blocking it, just as the incident occurred.

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Jigsaw wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:"Fear for his life"?

Hahahaha god conservatives are apparently such cowards. Love it.

Conservatives don't organize crowd gatherings in order to intimidate and act violent toward people. Lol

No, Charlottesville was clearly just an incidental concentration of racists.

Agreed. Antifa and White Nationalists converged, and that is the result.

Antifa generally aren't racist, though. Very few on the far left are racist. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:"Fear for his life"?

Hahahaha god conservatives are apparently such cowards. Love it.

Conservatives don't organize crowd gatherings in order to intimidate and act violent toward people. Lol

No, Charlottesville was clearly just an incidental concentration of racists.

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Jason wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:"Fear for his life"?

Hahahaha god conservatives are apparently such cowards. Love it.

Conservatives don't organize crowd gatherings in order to intimidate and act violent toward people. Lol

No, Charlottesville was clearly just an incidental concentration of racists.

Agreed. Antifa and White Nationalists converged, and that is the result.

Antifa generally aren't racist, though. Very few on the far left are racist. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Indeed, because hating on the straight white male is perfectly okay.

Reign in Blood wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

Then work, that is the same concept in both systems. Just one rewards squalor and laziness and the other says reach for the stars.

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

capitalism is for the working class as well, in theory. point me to a country or region where socialism has existed in the long term (say over 50 years at least) in the way that you want it to be in america?

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:So now murder by vehicle is ok for the right. This nonsense is just baffling.

yes, that is clearly exactly what I said.

You seem to be looking to defend the one person I’d have thought we can all get behind not finding ok.

Not defending him. Saying stupid games win stupid prizes. Block roads where cars and trucks travel, and you run the risk of getting hit. The people stirring up shit got some splattered on them. Did she deserve to die? If course not, but understand the risk your actions carry.

Those people chose to use their bodies in that manner.

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

capitalism is for the working class as well, in theory. point me to a country or region where socialism has existed in the long term (say over 50 years at least) in the way that you want it to be in america?

To my knowledge, such a system hasn't existed as of yet. Some countries are making good steps forward, but it's hard to do when some of the most powerful countries in the world want to see you fail.

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

capitalism is for the working class as well, in theory. point me to a country or region where socialism has existed in the long term (say over 50 years at least) in the way that you want it to be in america?

To my knowledge, such a system hasn't existed as of yet. Some countries are making good steps forward, but it's hard to do when some of the most powerful countries in the world want to see you fail.

you asked me to show you where capitalism works in the way i think it should but you can't show me where socialism works in the way that you think it should. so it's non-starter from either direction. see what i mean?

Jigsaw wrote:
Not really. A system I want is theoretically possible. Non-income inequality causing capitalism isn't.

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:
I don't, but it strikes me as one of those conversations that doesn't actually lead anywhere of consequence, which is common with political disagreements here, and in general.

i can see that point. but the going nowhere was not just from my end. you really aren't gonna change your mind. you're already dug in.

Because I literally don't see how it's even theoretically possible for greed and inequality to be separated from capitalism. Most capitalists I know admit that there will be inequality, and "that will make people more likely to work harder to make more money and better themselves."

So you are right, in that sense. Until I can conceive of a way that capitalism isn't inherently unequal, I stand against it and how it's implemented.

and a capitalist will not literally not be able to see how it's even theoretically possible for forced squalor and laziness to be separated from socialism. *shrug*

Socialism isn't a welfare state, it's for the "working class." I can't really help it if capitalists, specifically conservative capitalists (though liberal capitalists aren't much better) remain ignorant. I just know that the longer they do, the more that people will suffer, and the less hope there is for everyone.

capitalism is for the working class as well, in theory. point me to a country or region where socialism has existed in the long term (say over 50 years at least) in the way that you want it to be in america?

To my knowledge, such a system hasn't existed as of yet. Some countries are making good steps forward, but it's hard to do when some of the most powerful countries in the world want to see you fail.

you asked me to show you where capitalism works in the way i think it should but you can't show me where socialism works in the way that you think it should. so it's non-starter from either direction. see what i mean?

Not really. A system I want is theoretically possible. Non-income inequality causing capitalism isn't.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:So now murder by vehicle is ok for the right. This nonsense is just baffling.

yes, that is clearly exactly what I said.

You seem to be looking to defend the one person I’d have thought we can all get behind not finding ok.

Not defending him. Saying stupid games win stupid prizes. Block roads where cars and trucks travel, and you run the risk of getting hit. The people stirring up shit got some splattered on them. Did she deserve to die? If course not, but understand the risk your actions carry.

Those people chose to use their bodies in that manner.

Literally blaming victims.