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Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:56 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:52 pm

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zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:40 pm didn't walt also try to cheat on skyler? he got turned down, but the intent was still there.

After she continuously put him down and rejected him and all that jazz.

yeah, i get the reasons driving their actions. it matters for walt. it's brushed aside for skyler.

What would justify singing happy birthday seductively to your boss for years behind your husband's back and not telling about the time he grabbed you at a Christmas party and you liked it?

She's a ho fasho

i don't have to justify her actions. i just have to weigh them against his actions.

did she ever do anything good for walt, in your estimation? did she ever do anything to protect him or to defend him in any kind of way?

Some here, some there. She also took 617,000 dollars from Walt and gave it to Ted which is also not good. So she arguably did more to protect Ted. Lol

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:31 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:58 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:54 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:52 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:37 pm The Skyler dilemma. To hate a little or hate a lot?

It's not like it happened overnight after his diagnosis, lol. Walt had gone down some dark roads.

She almost decapitated him when she thought he was buying weed from Pinkman. She fucked her boss (who she clearly had feelings with prior to the timeline of the show) after thinking he only cooked meth and ignored him every time he said he wanted to leave them money before he dies.

I'm fine with hatin, but not a lot, Walt threw plenty of ingredients into that spicy pot of chili that boiled over.

The way she treated him given what little she knew about what was actually going on is where I think the main hatred for her comes in. I've maintained that her unwillingness to accept and overall attitude to his illegal doings was needed for him to really turn up the evil meter inside him, but I easily understand that this can be interpreted by fans in many different ways and I think that's what was intended. But in the end, Walt still protected her from everything and gave every bit of money left to them. Something about who Skyler is tells me she never loved or cared for Walt to the degree that he cared for her and his son, which is where I am sour on her.

Also, your Dad is dying of cancer and you decide to rebel out and call yourself Flynn to cause drama?

I would agree. Maybe not never loved or cared the same, but certainly over time even prior to the cancer she had fallen out of love with him. Then the cancer and craziness, she decided to THOT it up.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:43 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

Sure, we can dig deeper. But on the surface, what do most people pick?

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

context is important. she cheated. she also didn't turn him in, provided an alibi and played along with his scheme, stayed married to protect him in case anything went to trial. etc.

he lied, he tried to cheat, he forced drug/blood money onto her and his son, his actions led to the deaths of over 160 people. and he tried to hold the family together along the way.

which of them did worse? which of them did better?

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Walt was evil as fuck. Skyler was really a pretty normal person with a lot of normal person shortcomings.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:06 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

context is important. she cheated. she also didn't turn him in, provided an alibi and played along with his scheme, stayed married to protect him in case anything went to trial. etc.

he lied, he tried to cheat, he forced drug/blood money onto her and his son, his actions led to the deaths of over 160 people. and he tried to hold the family together along the way.

which of them did worse? which of them did better?

Neither did better, Walt overall did far worse things in the grand scheme than she did. I just understand his character doing the things he did (for the most part) while her character nearly castrated him for "buying weed." Basically the way she treated him before even knowing any context of his actions made her ultimately more dislikable as a character for me.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:14 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Walt was evil as fuck. Skyler was really a pretty normal person with a lot of normal person shortcomings.

Walt was really probably the most normal adult in the show in the beginning. He started out as the hero who was then delivered a freak diagnosis, then turned anti-hero, then turned villain.

Chemistry is the study of change, as they say!

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:06 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:16 pm We're also fighting each other's own moral compass in the basic instincts of it. What is worse to you, infidelity or slinging meth rocks on the street?

Context is important!

context is important. she cheated. she also didn't turn him in, provided an alibi and played along with his scheme, stayed married to protect him in case anything went to trial. etc.

he lied, he tried to cheat, he forced drug/blood money onto her and his son, his actions led to the deaths of over 160 people. and he tried to hold the family together along the way.

which of them did worse? which of them did better?

Neither did better, Walt overall did far worse things in the grand scheme than she did. I just understand his character doing the things he did (for the most part) while her character nearly castrated him for "buying weed." Basically the way she treated him before even knowing any context of his actions made her ultimately more dislikable as a character for me.

the viewer knew the context, knew the lies he told to her and everyone else. knew the justifications he made to himself. and she was worse because she wasn't an angel to him, in spite of everything. i don't know what else to say..

take another criminal character like mal on firefly. you can tell he's trying to be moral and just, even if he's doing criminal actions. you can side with him. i don't know how anyone could side with walt.

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:17 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:14 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Walt was evil as fuck. Skyler was really a pretty normal person with a lot of normal person shortcomings.

Walt was really probably the most normal adult in the show in the beginning. He started out as the hero who was then delivered a freak diagnosis, then turned anti-hero, then turned villain.

Chemistry is the study of change, as they say!

All we are is the things we do.

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Walt was evil as fuck. Skyler was really a pretty normal person with a lot of normal person shortcomings.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:22 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Walt was evil as fuck. Skyler was really a pretty normal person with a lot of normal person shortcomings.

Pretty much agreed. Is it surprising Jason sees it the opposite, Walt is all normal?

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:20 pm

There's a point in the show where I think every fan draws the line. Whether season 1, 2, 3 or whatever. He just progressively does worse and worse shit. Seeds were planted from the very beginning. Some justified, some not. He was indicated late in the show to be mostly responsible for the success of Gray Matter and dealing with them in the first few episodes during Elliott's birthday party and Skyler trying to get them to pay for his treatment is probably what gave birth to his ego, and it only grew from that moment.

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