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This is not political, so I am putting it here.

If you take money to stay silent about a crime, even if that crime is against you. Is that moral?

if it is moral, is it also moral to offer that money?

if it's not moral, is it less moral to offer that money?

zombie wrote:if it is moral, is it also moral to offer that money?

if it's not moral, is it less moral to offer that money?

I would say, at best, taking money to remain quiet puts you as an accomplice to the act. Also, keep in mind that hush money and blackmail are sometimes difficult to distinguish.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:if it is moral, is it also moral to offer that money?

if it's not moral, is it less moral to offer that money?

I would say, at best, taking money to remain quiet puts you as an accomplice to the act. Also, keep in mind that hush money and blackmail are sometimes difficult to distinguish.

without the details of what this is about, i can't fully commit. but in general, taking "hush money" is not moral. and if there is any penalty at all, to you not keeping quiet, then already it's blackmail.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:if it is moral, is it also moral to offer that money?

if it's not moral, is it less moral to offer that money?

I would say, at best, taking money to remain quiet puts you as an accomplice to the act. Also, keep in mind that hush money and blackmail are sometimes difficult to distinguish.

without the details of what this is about, i can't fully commit. but in general, taking "hush money" is not moral. and if there is any penalty at all, to you not keeping quiet, then already it's blackmail.

It is intentionally vague so as not to carry the weight of politics and favoritism.

Blackmail in both directions. For instance, contacting people and letting them know you intend to talk in hopes of a hush money offer. Or possibly participating willingly with the idea you get paid somehow for the story.

Foo wrote: It is intentionally vague so as not to carry the weight of politics and favoritism.

Blackmail in both directions. For instance, contacting people and letting them know you intend to talk in hopes of a hush money offer. Or possibly participating willingly with the idea you get paid somehow for the story.

keeping it vague is going to mean we're just talking in generality and not absolutes or specific circumstances. etc. but fair.

if you're trying to blackmail someone to get money out of them, that's as immoral as offering money to keep someone quiet, in my opinion. the crime they committed, in the first place, is something else entirely.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote: It is intentionally vague so as not to carry the weight of politics and favoritism.

Blackmail in both directions. For instance, contacting people and letting them know you intend to talk in hopes of a hush money offer. Or possibly participating willingly with the idea you get paid somehow for the story.

keeping it vague is going to mean we're just talking in generality and not absolutes or specific circumstances. etc. but fair.

if you're trying to blackmail someone to get money out of them, that's as immoral as offering money to keep someone quiet, in my opinion. the crime they committed, in the first place, is something else entirely.

If you are willing to accept money, is that so different than asking for it?

For example, if you knew someone who was telling you they were poor and gave them money, is it so different if they simply ask for it instead of hinting around? The net effect is the same.

Foo wrote:
If you are willing to accept money, is that so different than asking for it?

For example, if you knew someone who was telling you they were poor and gave them money, is it so different if they simply ask for it instead of hinting around? The net effect is the same.

giving money because you are trying to help someone out is not immoral, whether they are misleading you or not. if they are being misleading, that is immoral on them, but no reflection on you for giving the money to help them out. i don't know what this has to do with the earlier convo. see the problem with vague?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
If you are willing to accept money, is that so different than asking for it?

For example, if you knew someone who was telling you they were poor and gave them money, is it so different if they simply ask for it instead of hinting around? The net effect is the same.

giving money because you are trying to help someone out is not immoral, whether they are misleading you or not. if they are being misleading, that is immoral on them, but no reflection on you for giving the money to help them out. i don't know what this has to do with the earlier convo. see the problem with vague?

If someone is blackmailing you, can they not be "in need"?

And is someone constantly hinting that they are poor and need help any better than someone who pretends they don't? It is still money in return for silence.

Foo wrote:
If someone is blackmailing you, can they not be "in need"?

And is someone constantly hinting that they are poor and need help any better than someone who pretends they don't? It is still money in return for silence.

it feels like you're trying to shift the conversation away from a crime being committed and either trying to shut a witness or victim up, or a witness / victim extorting the criminal?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
If someone is blackmailing you, can they not be "in need"?

And is someone constantly hinting that they are poor and need help any better than someone who pretends they don't? It is still money in return for silence.

it feels like you're trying to shift the conversation away from a crime being committed and either trying to shut a witness or victim up, or a witness / victim extorting the criminal?

Could also be that the only thing wrong is the blackmailing. For instance, if two people have sex, shouldn't we always be questioning the person who took money to not talk about it?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
If someone is blackmailing you, can they not be "in need"?

And is someone constantly hinting that they are poor and need help any better than someone who pretends they don't? It is still money in return for silence.

it feels like you're trying to shift the conversation away from a crime being committed and either trying to shut a witness or victim up, or a witness / victim extorting the criminal?

Could also be that the only thing wrong is the blackmailing. For instance, if two people have sex, shouldn't we always be questioning the person who took money to not talk about it?

sex is not a crime, unless it's not consensual. if you feel the need to silence someone about intimacy, that is a big red flag. it seems a lot like predation of some form or another. you shouldn't have to pay someone off, if it's something consensual.

if reveal of the sex is going to hurt your reputation or some private relationship, that's another story.is that what this is about?

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
If someone is blackmailing you, can they not be "in need"?

And is someone constantly hinting that they are poor and need help any better than someone who pretends they don't? It is still money in return for silence.

it feels like you're trying to shift the conversation away from a crime being committed and either trying to shut a witness or victim up, or a witness / victim extorting the criminal?

Could also be that the only thing wrong is the blackmailing. For instance, if two people have sex, shouldn't we always be questioning the person who took money to not talk about it?

sex is not a crime, unless it's not consensual. if you feel the need to silence someone about intimacy, that is a big red flag. it seems a lot like predation of some form or another. you shouldn't have to pay someone off, if it's something consensual.

if reveal of the sex is going to hurt your reputation or some private relationship, that's another story.is that what this is about?

It is not a big red flag when someone plans to profit from having sex with you? Shouldn't we be more worried about that than the person who was blackmailed into paying that person?

Doesn't everyone deserve privacy when it comes to their sex lives?

Foo wrote:
It is not a big red flag when someone plans to profit from having sex with you? Shouldn't we be more worried about that than the person who was blackmailed into paying that person?

Doesn't everyone deserve privacy when it comes to their sex lives?

plans to profit.. like blackmail you or threaten your reputation. yes. if you silence them to keep them from talking. already you had suspected it would hurt you if it got out. but it is a red flag on their part, in general.

if you have a wife / family, then they deserve to know that you're not being faithful.

if you're presenting an image of yourself, that is dishonest, and using that image as way to gain some position, the people who are giving that position to you deserve to know how you're being dishonest.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
It is not a big red flag when someone plans to profit from having sex with you? Shouldn't we be more worried about that than the person who was blackmailed into paying that person?

Doesn't everyone deserve privacy when it comes to their sex lives?

plans to profit.. like blackmail you or threaten your reputation. yes. if you silence them to keep them from talking. already you had suspected it would hurt you if it got out. but it is a red flag on their part, in general.

if you have a wife / family, then they deserve to know that you're not being faithful.

if you're presenting an image of yourself, that is dishonest, and using that image as way to gain some position, the people who are giving that position to you deserve to know how you're being dishonest.

Curious...so we should be publicly outting gay and trans people because they are presenting themselves in a different way?

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
It is not a big red flag when someone plans to profit from having sex with you? Shouldn't we be more worried about that than the person who was blackmailed into paying that person?

Doesn't everyone deserve privacy when it comes to their sex lives?

plans to profit.. like blackmail you or threaten your reputation. yes. if you silence them to keep them from talking. already you had suspected it would hurt you if it got out. but it is a red flag on their part, in general.

if you have a wife / family, then they deserve to know that you're not being faithful.

if you're presenting an image of yourself, that is dishonest, and using that image as way to gain some position, the people who are giving that position to you deserve to know how you're being dishonest.

Curious...so we should be publicly outting gay and trans people because they are presenting themselves in a different way?

no. you want to play silly games with vagueness and trying to steer the convo, rather than just being upfront with what you're trying to say. i'm out.

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:

Foo wrote:
It is not a big red flag when someone plans to profit from having sex with you? Shouldn't we be more worried about that than the person who was blackmailed into paying that person?

Doesn't everyone deserve privacy when it comes to their sex lives?

plans to profit.. like blackmail you or threaten your reputation. yes. if you silence them to keep them from talking. already you had suspected it would hurt you if it got out. but it is a red flag on their part, in general.

if you have a wife / family, then they deserve to know that you're not being faithful.

if you're presenting an image of yourself, that is dishonest, and using that image as way to gain some position, the people who are giving that position to you deserve to know how you're being dishonest.

Curious...so we should be publicly outting gay and trans people because they are presenting themselves in a different way?

no. you want to play silly games with vagueness and trying to steer the convo, rather than just being upfront with what you're trying to say. i'm out.

Was not about any particular situation. Nor should the discussion be.

Later gator.

outing someone as gay or trans. revealing that someone is a rapist. revealing that someone has cheated on their wife. revealing that someone slept with a prostitute. it should all be treated the same way, seemed to be what you were going for.