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Alright, someone explain this shit to me, as I know more about the Israel-Palestine shiz than this, here I've been blissfully ignorant. Why has this crap "war" lasted two years now? Russia has a shit ton of people and is a supposed "super power" (obvious bullshit), they should be able to steamroll. I get the US is candyasses and we let Iraq and Afghanistan and bullshit go on and on and on even though it could be over in one day if we flexed, but I thought Russia would have said fuck you by now and actually done did. How is Russia ever gonna do shit to anybody else they can't sack Ukraine?

I truly believe nobody knows except for the people behind closed doors who orchestrate the shit and misinform the public. Everything else is just speculation. "Palestine started it!" ... "No, Israel started it!" I don't even care anymore. Stop killing each other and leave my tax dollars out of it. Really really simple shit, morons.

Russia is a paper tiger with aging tech. It’s a classic stalemate so Russia will get the better deal in the end. Will be a regional conflict for a long time. The US can’t come in and put boots on the ground because of escalation risk. But they are happy to let the war machine print money for them. I’m skeptical of Russia’s ability/desire to continue their conquest into NATO countries but I also didn’t think they would invade Ukraine so…

Even though the US played a significant role in destabilizing both Russia and Ukraine and probably organizing the 2014 coup replacing a Russia-friendly government with a US-friendly government, Russia did invade a technically sovereign country so the US coming to Ukraine’s defense to me would be one of the more defensible foreign policy moves in recent memory (a goodwill they have since squandered with the international community). The reality is Ukraine will always be either a poor exploited US/NATO puppet or a poor exploited Russian puppet.

I've heard the aging tech stuff, which is weird because China is next door, but that's why you use your numbers, just brute force swarm the fuckers as you got way more people, no?

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:55 am I've heard the aging tech stuff, which is weird because China is next door, but that's why you use your numbers, just brute force swarm the fuckers as you got way more people, no?

The logistics of that are really tough. Every new soldier needs to be fed, trained, supplied by other personnel who you are taking resources away from. I’m not sure what number they would need to go into blitzkrieg mode but I’m pretty confident they would not be able to support a fighting force of that size. Actually holding and occupying cities is a logistical nightmare of its own.

Right now both sides are conscripting old people, criminals and other undesirables. Morale is incredibly low for everyone. Putin wants a deal because he knows it would favor them. Zelensky is in the worst spot because Ukrainians want the war to end but he can’t do anything without US/NATO approval and right now their position is they want to keep fighting. He’s pretty fucked after the war ends.

The other wrinkle in this is the election year. I would expect the US security state to dial up some Hail Mary plays to take out Putin in the next few months. They do not want to see Trump in office making deals with Putin over NATO’s head.

They'd be more likely to try killing Trump than Putin. Peace time president is not good for business. Ask Clint Murchison and the Dulles Bros. Lol

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:12 pm They'd be more likely to try killing Trump than Putin. Peace time president is not good for business. Ask Clint Murchison and the Dulles Bros. Lol

They would love a Ukraine war to extend as long as possible. I don’t think they are actually interested in an expanded war. And overthrowing Putin throws Russia another into another cycle of instability for western interests to take advantage of like in the 90s.

Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:37 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:12 pm They'd be more likely to try killing Trump than Putin. Peace time president is not good for business. Ask Clint Murchison and the Dulles Bros. Lol

They would love a Ukraine war to extend as long as possible. I don’t think they are actually interested in an expanded war. And overthrowing Putin throws Russia another into another cycle of instability for western interests to take advantage of like in the 90s.

Definitely. Ukraine-Russia is good for business. Traders who know the secrets and have invested in certain areas are just waiting for the next attack that will increase prices and put a shit load of money in their pockets. I don't think the U.S. wants to put any of their DNA on the murder of Putin with the threat of nukes looming, but what we know for sure is that they want to drag out this war for as long as possible to keep Russia on their heels.

There are lots of ways to interpret the variables.

Let's say Trump advocating for peace is real and he really means it. Where does that leave the secret societies/the people that pull the strings and the rest of the American government, and what are their intentions? Peace all around may not be good for them in any way. Their wallets will take a massive hit, for one. As far as the government is concerned, being far and away the number one super power and biggest threat is obviously ideal. Aiming for peace doesn't weaken anyone, so this is also a predicament. If the government were fully transparent, is it in everyone's best interest for the U.S. to be the bad guy and knock Russia down a peg, or to extend the olive branch and agree to peace? But the government is definitely not fully transparent and use the media to misinform the public of the real goings-on. The last thing they would want is a guy like Trump coming in, shining a light on the misinformation/lies of the media and advocating for world peace and abolishing the income tax. Lol. If we are to believe these are truly his goals. Myself, I am about 60% confident that these are actually his intentions, based on the mainstream shift in how he was treated compared to his entering of politics and the timing of their attacks on him. So I'll be voting for him again in 2024.

But this is the gray area that none of us in the every day world are in the loop about even in the slightest, and that leads to speculation and division and social media arguments. Lol. Trump could be all in on it with the secret societies for all we know, going along with a staged indictment and trial to get both sides distracted. Elections could be predetermined. Nobody truly knows. I find it too much of a chore to try and fully keep up with, and I feel way better mentally when I place politics a good distance behind all the other stuff in my life and just accept that we will never truly know.

Can't really let Putin use force to retake chunks of the old Soviet Union but also really not interested in paying for another potentially decade long cold war. Lots of instability in the world right now

All I have to say about this is Humans suck. I'm honestly surprised we've made it this long without putting ourself into extinction.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:55 pm All I have to say about this is Humans suck. I'm honestly surprised we've made it this long without putting ourself into extinction.

I've noticed throughout my adulthood that my frustration and confliction that I have with society tends to be with the group as a whole, but I find that I love people individually. I don't know the answers, so all I can do is try to gain as much wisdom as I can through life experience. It's no secret that an extremely small group of people run the world. And it's through this small group that over time, if we want to fit in with every day society, we have to become heavily integrated in everything it has to offer, which makes us susceptible to manipulation and distrust. My best guess is that we're all frustrated with the way we've been integrated into society and haven't consciously pinpointed it. We're basically told how we're supposed to feel, how we're supposed to think, how we're supposed to behave. We're not meant to operate this way. No group is supposed to dictate these things. The less involved we are with societal expectations, the happier we'll all be, I think. I've noticed over the last 20 years or so that people are visibly less jovial and engaging. The inclusion of social media has wiped out our attention span and social skills. Nobody wants to leave their house any more. Everything is a click away. Convenience is killing us.

Plenty of that is true, except the nobody wants to leave their house anymore. What the fuck for? To deal with idiots and scumbags en mass? I'm fine with the Great Outdoors, but there ain't no John Candy, just Aykroyd's cunt ass.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:39 pm Plenty of that is true, except the nobody wants to leave their house anymore. What the fuck for? To deal with idiots and scumbags en mass? I'm fine with the Great Outdoors, but there ain't no John Candy, just Aykroyd's cunt ass.

That's what I mean. The way society is run is why people are visibly less happy. We all walk out the door with pre-conceived judgment and the expectation that everyone we encounter is an idiot and a scumbag. Even if true, it does worse for your overall well-being and psyche to think this way.

I try to walk out the door with the expectation that people think the same way of me, but my goal is to offer them the opposite of what they expect in any way I can in however the opportunity presents itself.

All good points Jason.

I feel most people are decent individuals. Unfortunately, they (like the rest of us) are stuck in survival mode and that adds lots of stress on top of other stressors and the result is everyone is pissed off/angry and they are aiming it at whatever group they have the least in common with. If you take a look at the current state of the U.S. we see so many of the population stuck in tribalism. (Republican/Conservate, Democrat/Liberal, Religious/non-religious, race issues, LGBTQ etc.) None of it is helping anyone and social media has made it much worse! I have had family members outright disown me for not agreeing with their political views. A decade ago we could agree to disagree. People are just getting stupid with it.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:39 pm Plenty of that is true, except the nobody wants to leave their house anymore. What the fuck for? To deal with idiots and scumbags en mass? I'm fine with the Great Outdoors, but there ain't no John Candy, just Aykroyd's cunt ass.

I’m happy to corner the market on touching grass even if nobody else will. COVID made everyone act dumber in public but it’s still better than viewing all human interaction through the prism of online discourse which is toxic to no end.