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Can anyone in the US imagine living under such a threat where our government tells you to hide because an adversary is firing missiles over the nation?

This happened in Japan today. What is it going to take?

Shit is crazy. I am just now seeing the news about it.

I dunno. I mean I laid out my solution in the dedicated North Korea thread... But I guess it was more fun to start a new thread about how it's the biggest lose-lose scenario in the world.

showa58taro wrote:I dunno. I mean I laid out my solution in the dedicated North Korea thread... But I guess it was more fun to start a new thread about how it's the biggest lose-lose scenario in the world.

Nothing funny to me about innocent people living under those circumstances.

Btw, I do not consider the people of North Korea to be completely innocent at this point.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:I dunno. I mean I laid out my solution in the dedicated North Korea thread... But I guess it was more fun to start a new thread about how it's the biggest lose-lose scenario in the world.

Nothing funny to me about innocent people living under those circumstances.

Btw, I do not consider the people of North Korea to be completely innocent at this point.

You mean the ones in all the internment camps? Or the ones who have been brought up thinking there's an enemy at the gates at all times?

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:I dunno. I mean I laid out my solution in the dedicated North Korea thread... But I guess it was more fun to start a new thread about how it's the biggest lose-lose scenario in the world.

Nothing funny to me about innocent people living under those circumstances.

Btw, I do not consider the people of North Korea to be completely innocent at this point.

You mean the ones in all the internment camps? Or the ones who have been brought up thinking there's an enemy at the gates at all times?

All of them. The US is what it is because people stood up to fight their oppressors, even when it meant fighting their own government.

North Koreans are in the unfortunate position of making a choice. They fight their government or they are complicit. As far as I am concerned, the US, Japan, and the UN have innocent blood on their hands if North Korea hits someone with a missile.

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:

showa58taro wrote:I dunno. I mean I laid out my solution in the dedicated North Korea thread... But I guess it was more fun to start a new thread about how it's the biggest lose-lose scenario in the world.

Nothing funny to me about innocent people living under those circumstances.

Btw, I do not consider the people of North Korea to be completely innocent at this point.

You mean the ones in all the internment camps? Or the ones who have been brought up thinking there's an enemy at the gates at all times?

All of them. The US is what it is because people stood up to fight their oppressors, even when it meant fighting their own government.

North Koreans are in the unfortunate position of making a choice. They fight their government or they are complicit. As far as I am concerned, the US, Japan, and the UN have innocent blood on their hands if North Korea hits someone with a missile.

Who are you expecting should be fighting the government, and why?

Pointing out the people of North Korea are complicit on some level.

Foo wrote:Pointing out the people of North Korea are complicit on some level.

Seems an odd stance if you're not referring to the actual government itself and its military, at this point, given how brutally oppressive the regime is. They have no idea about the reality of things.

showa58taro wrote:

Foo wrote:Pointing out the people of North Korea are complicit on some level.

Seems an odd stance if you're not referring to the actual government itself and its military, at this point, given how brutally oppressive the regime is. They have no idea about the reality of things.

I don't buy into ignorance as an excuse. Too easy. The oppression is why they need to fight. The fact that they may lose their lives because of that tyranny is shy they need to fight. They can maybe die while fighting for their fellow man and their family or they can maybe die as collateral damage from others fighting their government.

Fooski might sound harsh but what he says is true. The best outcome is North Koreans overthrowing their government. I can't believe the entire country all have the same hive mentality.

Let's play out the long term, what are the options:

1. A North Korea with long range nuclear weapons run by the same regime that is shooting missiles over neighbors and wants to hold the world community for ransom unless they get their way. They will use this to influence trade and get a seat at the world table.

2. Regime change

Any sanctions just kick the can down the road, at best. You run the risk of enraging North Korea, create stronger bonds between them, China, and Russia, or even killing millions through starvation.

Tiggnutz wrote:Fooski might sound harsh but what he says is true. The best outcome is North Koreans overthrowing their government. I can't believe the entire country all have the same hive mentality.

You're both deluded.

i worry that this talk of the north korean citizens being complicit is some kind of justification if they get killed trying to take out kim?

Unless you think one day Kim Jung wakes up and decides he needs to be more responsible and respectful of the rest of the planet than it only ends one way he kills a bunch of innocent people or he and a bunch if innocent people are killed. Sad but true

something needs to be done, but you shouldn't excuse or dismiss civilian casualties. you should make your best effort to not kill civilians. you shouldn't be looking for excuses to justify the death of civilians. if it happens, call it out. hold soldiers responsible where they fuck up. don't just blow it off, cause you feel like "the north korean citizens should have cleaned up for themselves. so oh well".

Nobody excuses the loss of innocent civilians it's just something that has happened in every war to date and will happen in every war yet to happen.

yeah, civilians will die if you go to war in their country. i just find the victim blaming to be a little weird. you wouldn't do it in any other situation. why is it going here? why float that idea?

zombie wrote:yeah, civilians will die if you go to war in their country. i just find the victim blaming to be a little weird. you wouldn't do it in any other situation. why is it going here? why float that idea?

I think you may of misunderstood there's no blame except North Korean leadership. I can't even fathom being in the people's position but it doesn't change the fact that he needs to go.

Be cool if they could block all oil going into North Korea see if that changes things.