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Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:10 pm
by Foo
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/36 ... re-mandate

“Families ought to be able to make decisions about what they want to buy and what works for them — not the government,” Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said, hailing the accomplishment.

“I believe if people don’t want to buy the ObamaCare insurance, they shouldn’t have to pay a tax penalty to the IRS.”
Not a single Democrat in either the house nor the senate believe you as an American have the right to choose whether or not to buy insurance.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:56 pm
by showa58taro
Yup. Disgusting that Republicans want to make Insurance unaffordable. What a shame.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:48 pm
by Foo
Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:41 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:41 pm
by Jason
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:15 pm
by showa58taro
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:22 pm
by Tiggnutz
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:25 pm
by showa58taro
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:27 pm
by showa58taro
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Everyone buys shoes and underwear, so I guess by that rationale those things must be incredibly expensive. :P

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:31 pm
by Tiggnutz
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.
You asked for an explanation :|

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:33 pm
by Tiggnutz
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Everyone buys shoes and underwear, so I guess by that rationale those things must be incredibly expensive. :P
You are not required by law to buy those things. Theres no penalty for not buying those things.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:35 pm
by showa58taro
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.
You asked for an explanation :|
I agree that must be Foo’s point. Stupid though it may be.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:36 pm
by showa58taro
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Everyone buys shoes and underwear, so I guess by that rationale those things must be incredibly expensive. :P
You are not required by law to buy those things. Theres no penalty for not buying those things.
But if the point is more people buying Insurance drives up the price then the law is secondary to the cheap fallacious interpretation to demand-led supply-side economics peddled by Foo and Jason

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:21 pm
by Jason
Seb, when there is only one company providing healthcare- healthcare that people are FORCED to purchase or pay a fine- the cost is going to be massive. It is not a coincidence that the price of Obamacare ONLY WENT HIGHER after it was implemented. Add in the fact that every single year, the fine that you had to pay for not purchasing Obamacare also went higher and higher. Eliminate being forced to buy Obamacare, then allow for other insurance companies to get your business, prices will be drastically driven down. This is how basic business works. I can't believe I have to explain something so simple to you.

The reason underwear isn't expensive is because there are countless companies aiming for your business, competing with each other, driving prices down because they want your business. If Hanes were the only company with the super secret formula of making underwear, the price of underwear would be ridiculous. Most people would be going commando unless you were forced to purchase underwear.

Very simple stuff, Seb. I don't even want to know what they're brainwashing you with over there on Colonial Island.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:25 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.
You asked for an explanation :|
I agree that must be Foo’s point. Stupid though it may be.
Stupid...like making fantasy claims to people who have seen the reality of the liberal schemes?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/premi ... le/2623993

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:38 pm
by showa58taro
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.
You asked for an explanation :|
I agree that must be Foo’s point. Stupid though it may be.
Stupid...like making fantasy claims to people who have seen the reality of the liberal schemes?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/premi ... le/2623993
It’s almost like a risk-based assessment is reacting to the high risk of Trump and the Republican efforts to undercut Obamacare. Amazing how that’s the fault of Obamacare rather than the people making it untenable. It’s a bit like if I jumped into you food truck, pissed in your ingredients, shit on your grill and disconnected the fridge then said “look! Foo is not fit to be a chef!” :P

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:39 pm
by showa58taro
Jason wrote:Seb, when there is only one company providing healthcare- healthcare that people are FORCED to purchase or pay a fine- the cost is going to be massive. It is not a coincidence that the price of Obamacare ONLY WENT HIGHER after it was implemented. Add in the fact that every single year, the fine that you had to pay for not purchasing Obamacare also went higher and higher. Eliminate being forced to buy Obamacare, then allow for other insurance companies to get your business, prices will be drastically driven down. This is how basic business works. I can't believe I have to explain something so simple to you.

The reason underwear isn't expensive is because there are countless companies aiming for your business, competing with each other, driving prices down because they want your business. If Hanes were the only company with the super secret formula of making underwear, the price of underwear would be ridiculous. Most people would be going commando unless you were forced to purchase underwear.

Very simple stuff, Seb. I don't even want to know what they're brainwashing you with over there on Colonial Island.
Simple I’m so far as it is simply not how the market or Insurance has operated for the last decades. But nice try.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:43 pm
by Foo
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:
showa58taro wrote:
Foo wrote:Yeah, because being forced to buy something will surely make it cheaper! This is why no one trusts liberals.
I don’t understand your point at all.
Clearly.
Good explanation. Much clearer.
If everyone is forced to buy something than the why would they not make it as expensive as possible.
Oh. Because we assume Insurance works like popular commodities. Got it. Good talk.
You asked for an explanation :|
I agree that must be Foo’s point. Stupid though it may be.
Stupid...like making fantasy claims to people who have seen the reality of the liberal schemes?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/premi ... le/2623993
It’s almost like a risk-based assessment is reacting to the high risk of Trump and the Republican efforts to undercut Obamacare. Amazing how that’s the fault of Obamacare rather than the people making it untenable. It’s a bit like if I jumped into you food truck, pissed in your ingredients, shit on your grill and disconnected the fridge then said “look! Foo is not fit to be a chef!” :P
Wise people build walls around what they value.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:52 pm
by Jason
showa58taro wrote:
Jason wrote:Seb, when there is only one company providing healthcare- healthcare that people are FORCED to purchase or pay a fine- the cost is going to be massive. It is not a coincidence that the price of Obamacare ONLY WENT HIGHER after it was implemented. Add in the fact that every single year, the fine that you had to pay for not purchasing Obamacare also went higher and higher. Eliminate being forced to buy Obamacare, then allow for other insurance companies to get your business, prices will be drastically driven down. This is how basic business works. I can't believe I have to explain something so simple to you.

The reason underwear isn't expensive is because there are countless companies aiming for your business, competing with each other, driving prices down because they want your business. If Hanes were the only company with the super secret formula of making underwear, the price of underwear would be ridiculous. Most people would be going commando unless you were forced to purchase underwear.

Very simple stuff, Seb. I don't even want to know what they're brainwashing you with over there on Colonial Island.
Simple I’m so far as it is simply not how the market or Insurance has operated for the last decades. But nice try.
Perhaps the market doesn't operate like that in your socialist fantasy land, but in the real world, that's how it is done.

Re: Senate Removes ObamaCare Mandate in Tax Bill

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:55 pm
by Foo
Seb, what would happen to the price of gold if a law was passed that you must buy gold every month or pay a tax penalty?