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boo to telling people what to believe, or how to show their beliefs. etc. i felt like i had to say it!

zombie wrote:boo to telling people what to believe, or how to show their beliefs. etc. i felt like i had to say it!

I too am glad Trump stands up for religious freedom. Making a jewish baker make cakes for Nazis was a terrible idea Democrats supported.

nice try to trip me up. but we're in agreement in that businesses have the right to not serve someone because of their beliefs. neither was that meant as a jab at trump. but good try to twist it around that way too.

zombie wrote:nice try to trip me up. but we're in agreement in that businesses have the right to not serve someone because of their beliefs. neither was that meant as a jab at trump. but good try to twist it around that way too.

The most authoritarian act you and I have seen in our lifetime by politicians was the passage of ObamaCare. Literally mandating you must purchase a product or face punishment.

zombie wrote:boo to telling people what to believe, or how to show their beliefs. etc. i felt like i had to say it!

This feels very vague.

Also the most authoritarian thing in your lifetime is surely the PATTIOT act nonsense allowing all kinds of surveillance on private citizens.

i wanted it to be vague, cause i didn't want to get caught up in a big argument. and maybe authoritarian isn't the right term but it feels like it.

I figured as much. Trump the tinpot despot demagogue is firmly trying to be authoritarian.

showa58taro wrote:I figured as much. Trump the tinpot despot demagogue is firmly trying to be authoritarian.

How?

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:I figured as much. Trump the tinpot despot demagogue is firmly trying to be authoritarian.

How?

Discrediting free press and freedom of expression, devaluing checks on his authority, undermining legitimate legal scrutiny, taking government money and transferring it to his wealthy cronies, installing his family and friends into positions of power, subverting the courts and acting unilaterally when it suits him.

showa58taro wrote:

Tiggnutz wrote:

showa58taro wrote:I figured as much. Trump the tinpot despot demagogue is firmly trying to be authoritarian.

How?

Discrediting free press and freedom of expression, devaluing checks on his authority, undermining legitimate legal scrutiny, taking government money and transferring it to his wealthy cronies, installing his family and friends into positions of power, subverting the courts and acting unilaterally when it suits him.

Dont really agree with most of that but thats just from my perspective.

Unrelated but my 401k is booming so much that today I upped my contribution and I won't see much of a difference from my pay because with the tax break it just about evens out. That's something Tigg can get with.

Foo wrote:

zombie wrote:nice try to trip me up. but we're in agreement in that businesses have the right to not serve someone because of their beliefs. neither was that meant as a jab at trump. but good try to twist it around that way too.

The most authoritarian act you and I have seen in our lifetime by politicians was the passage of ObamaCare. Literally mandating you must purchase a product or face punishment.

i don't like obama. and you're the one trying to make this about one party or the other. i didn't start the topic because of anything about trump. so you can stop now.

I understood from the get what zombs ment he wants to make his own choices without hearing a bunch of shit about it. I feel the same way. Freedom baby dig it