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DancesWithWerewolves wrote:Oh I know. I've ranted in retaliation at one Halloween party because I said I didn't like it, and they started in with a "you just didn't get--" I cut them off, ranted exactly what the theme was, told them how cheap it was, how everything meant nothing, there was no danger, and all we got were two annoying as fuck characters I'll never forget...in the worst way possible

Spot on. I wish I could wipe the image of that little shit screaming in the backseat from my head.

Jason wrote:This is precisely why we need to drastically expand the horror section.

We're posting all this shit in IT's Upcoming Movie thread.

To be fair, we've never really cared where we posted stuff. Threads going far off topic are par for the course.

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

zombie wrote:i would ask how you define horror, but that probably won't help my case of being an actual fan.

Fuck if I know how to define it, words have never been my strong suit. It's just fucking horror.

That's how I feel. When I see a movie, I decide for myself if I consider it horror. Some are certainly close. I have always seen, for instance, Predator as a horror/science-fiction movie. Never crossed my mind someone wouldn't see it as horror.

But as for defining horror? That's not something I've ever been able to really do. I can just point out movies I believe to be horror (Aliens, Repo!, Hard Candy, Battle Royale) and movies I don't (J'accuse! from 1919, Jurassic Park, etc.).

Jigsaw wrote:That's how I feel. When I see a movie, I decide for myself if I consider it horror. Some are certainly close. I have always seen, for instance, Predator as a horror/science-fiction movie. Never crossed my mind someone wouldn't see it as horror.

But as for defining horror? That's not something I've ever been able to really do. I can just point out movies I believe to be horror (Aliens, Repo!, Hard Candy, Battle Royale) and movies I don't (J'accuse! from 1919, Jurassic Park, etc.).

Predator's sci-fi/action as well.

You mean like fucking Scooby Doo on Zombie Island?

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:That's how I feel. When I see a movie, I decide for myself if I consider it horror. Some are certainly close. I have always seen, for instance, Predator as a horror/science-fiction movie. Never crossed my mind someone wouldn't see it as horror.

But as for defining horror? That's not something I've ever been able to really do. I can just point out movies I believe to be horror (Aliens, Repo!, Hard Candy, Battle Royale) and movies I don't (J'accuse! from 1919, Jurassic Park, etc.).

Predator's sci-fi/action as well.

You mean like fucking Scooby Doo on Zombie Island?

Ah, but times change also. I no longer consider that horror for a litany of reasons.

Jigsaw wrote:

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

Jigsaw wrote:That's how I feel. When I see a movie, I decide for myself if I consider it horror. Some are certainly close. I have always seen, for instance, Predator as a horror/science-fiction movie. Never crossed my mind someone wouldn't see it as horror.

But as for defining horror? That's not something I've ever been able to really do. I can just point out movies I believe to be horror (Aliens, Repo!, Hard Candy, Battle Royale) and movies I don't (J'accuse! from 1919, Jurassic Park, etc.).

Predator's sci-fi/action as well.

You mean like fucking Scooby Doo on Zombie Island?

Ah, but times change also. I no longer consider that horror for a litany of reasons.

The main reason being us dogging the shit out of you for years because of it. :p

I want Predator to be horror, but a sci-fi-action flick.

That said, I now realized what my favorite sci-fi movie of all time is.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:fun while it lasted? it is going to stomp over friend request and we'll still have a chance for some great horror to come.

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Oicwatudidthere. Nice.

Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

Interesting. Why are you Slut-shaming werewolves into the realm of Sci-Fi? Inquiring minds want to know!

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

Interesting. Why are you Slut-shaming werewolves into the realm of Sci-Fi? Inquiring minds want to know!

action. and why is considering something as sci-fi considered to be shaming? (i don't consider dog soldiers as that)

werewolves by itself doesn't make something horror. so if aliens is not horror, then neither is dog soldiers. in my estimation.

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

Interesting. Why are you Slut-shaming werewolves into the realm of Sci-Fi? Inquiring minds want to know!

action. and why is considering something as sci-fi considered to be shaming? (i don't consider dog soldiers as that)

werewolves by itself doesn't make something horror. so if aliens is not horror, then neither is dog soldiers. in my estimation.

I see. So soldiers on a mission is the same theme here. So Predator, Aliens and Dog Soldiers all must be horror?

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

Interesting. Why are you Slut-shaming werewolves into the realm of Sci-Fi? Inquiring minds want to know!

action. and why is considering something as sci-fi considered to be shaming? (i don't consider dog soldiers as that)

werewolves by itself doesn't make something horror. so if aliens is not horror, then neither is dog soldiers. in my estimation.

I see. So soldiers on a mission is the same theme here. So Predator, Aliens and Dog Soldiers all must be horror?

soldiers on a mission is the story. the tone and presentation is what makes or doesn't make it horror. but yes, i consider all three of those movies to be horror.

i don't like that this turned from "is repo! horror" to "let's go back and argue for the hundredth time about aliens as a horror movie or not".

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:

zombie wrote:

Reign in Blood wrote:Classification is always a bitch, but I always look to intent and execution, and then a percentage. So let's look at horror/comedies. Take the Scary Movie franchise, some would say that's horror and it's bullshit. Look at it's intent and execution, get the fuck out of here, it's 90% comedy/spoof. Evil Dead 2? Not so much. Monster Squad? Not so much. Arbitrary number for sure, but to me, at least 46.666% of your intent and execution needs to be horror to come into my genre.

agreed. intent and / or execution should be firmly horror. i see aliens and dog soldiers to be in the same vein. if one is horror then so is the other. if both are action, so be it. repo! is kind of tricky because you don't really have another film to point to, to justify the inclusion. so you have to decide whether it fits how you define horror as.

Interesting. Why are you Slut-shaming werewolves into the realm of Sci-Fi? Inquiring minds want to know!

action. and why is considering something as sci-fi considered to be shaming? (i don't consider dog soldiers as that)

werewolves by itself doesn't make something horror. so if aliens is not horror, then neither is dog soldiers. in my estimation.

I see. So soldiers on a mission is the same theme here. So Predator, Aliens and Dog Soldiers all must be horror?

soldiers on a mission is the story. the tone and presentation is what makes or doesn't make it horror. but yes, i consider all three of those movies to be horror.

i don't like that this turned from "is repo! horror" to "let's go back and argue for the hundredth time about aliens as a horror movie or not".

There is no point in talking that repo non-sense. For the first argument, 1 out of 3 is horror.

Reign in Blood wrote:
There is no point in talking that repo non-sense. For the first argument, 1 out of 3 is horror.

there was an effort to make the monsters frightening. they were about tension and scares and desperation, more than cool action.

I recall Dog Soldiers to be fairly gory, enough to tip it into the Horror realm. I'm rewatching it during the challenge to be sure though. Purchased the Scream Factory Blue Ray.

Slaughterhouserock wrote:

Jason wrote:This is precisely why we need to drastically expand the horror section.

We're posting all this shit in IT's Upcoming Movie thread.

To be fair, we've never really cared where we posted stuff. Threads going far off topic are par for the course.

To be fair again, the book of It is pretty all over the place too

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:I recall Dog Soldiers to be fairly gory, enough to tip it into the Horror realm. I'm rewatching it during the challenge to be sure though. Purchased the Scream Factory Blue Ray.

didn't bring up dog soldiers as to dispute it's horror-ness but to show the horror-ness of other similar movies.

zombie wrote:

DancesWithWerewolves wrote:I recall Dog Soldiers to be fairly gory, enough to tip it into the Horror realm. I'm rewatching it during the challenge to be sure though. Purchased the Scream Factory Blue Ray.

didn't bring up dog soldiers as to dispute it's horror-ness but to show the horror-ness of other similar movies.

I know, I just brought up the gore factor as a separator

I'll refresh myself on the gore though next month.