Foo wrote:
Great! Now you are directly at odds with what the most violent and aggressive people in those countries believe so fiercely they are willing to kill you and themselves over. Now what?
help the more moderate muslims / arabs to take and keep control from the more extreme of them?
What do you think we have been trying for the past 4 decades? Are you happy with the results?
blowing a country to hell, then pulling back, while there is a lack of any sort of leadership, seems to be what we do most often? where have we come in to support a more moderate leadership into power and give them the means to retain that power?
Blowing to hell? Really? What percentage of our military might do you think we use to bomb terrorist nations? We use the smallest weapons possible, and use them with expensive precision guidance systems. That is why it was a big deal when we finally dropped a Moab on that cave network.
If we wanted it blown to hell, it would be. And yes, we are ALWAYS trying to install moderate Muslims. This is why the extremists hate us.
showa58taro wrote:I presume you 100% agree with Foo's false statement.
I do
Name me the middle eastern country that has functioning laws but also allows Christians to be killed without repercussions. Where it is literally legal to kill a Christian.
Because that's what Foo is stating. Not that Christians face persecution (they do) and harsh coditions (they do) and that they will likely face a risk of death by terrorists or others. Those are all valid problems. But that's not the assertion. His assertion, that YOU agree with, is that there are countries where it is legal and justifiable to murder a Christian.
I can name 1 country that allows execution of Christians.
200,000 Christians have been killed over the last two years due to their faith.
As I said, that is not your assertion. You made the much more extreme assertion that in "those places" a Christian could be killed and it would have no negative consequences.
Whereas the reality is that ISIS and other terrorist groups have targeted Christians, Boko Haram has killed loads of Christians. But they aren't doing so legally, nor with any government support.
As I said. there is 1 country I know of that literally allows Christians to be put to death for owning a Bible. And its no in the Middle East. Or in Africa.
showa58taro wrote:I presume you 100% agree with Foo's false statement.
I do
Name me the middle eastern country that has functioning laws but also allows Christians to be killed without repercussions. Where it is literally legal to kill a Christian.
Because that's what Foo is stating. Not that Christians face persecution (they do) and harsh coditions (they do) and that they will likely face a risk of death by terrorists or others. Those are all valid problems. But that's not the assertion. His assertion, that YOU agree with, is that there are countries where it is legal and justifiable to murder a Christian.
I can name 1 country that allows execution of Christians.
200,000 Christians have been killed over the last two years due to their faith.
As I said, that is not your assertion. You made the much more extreme assertion that in "those places" a Christian could be killed and it would have no negative consequences.
Whereas the reality is that ISIS and other terrorist groups have targeted Christians, Boko Haram has killed loads of Christians. But they aren't doing so legally, nor with any government support.
As I said. there is 1 country I know of that literally allows Christians to be put to death for owning a Bible. And its no in the Middle East. Or in Africa.
Does the death of a non Muslim carry the same weight as a Muslim clearly it doesn't.
Foo wrote:
Great! Now you are directly at odds with what the most violent and aggressive people in those countries believe so fiercely they are willing to kill you and themselves over. Now what?
help the more moderate muslims / arabs to take and keep control from the more extreme of them?
What do you think we have been trying for the past 4 decades? Are you happy with the results?
blowing a country to hell, then pulling back, while there is a lack of any sort of leadership, seems to be what we do most often? where have we come in to support a more moderate leadership into power and give them the means to retain that power?
Blowing to hell? Really? What percentage of our military might do you think we use to bomb terrorist nations? We use the smallest weapons possible, and use them with expensive precision guidance systems. That is why it was a big deal when we finally dropped a Moab on that cave network.
If we wanted it blown to hell, it would be. And yes, we are ALWAYS trying to install moderate Muslims. This is why the extremists hate us.
which are these "terrorist countries" ?
isn't pulling out without any kind of actual leadership, in iraq, the way that isis came to power, more or less? maybe i need to look into this better.
Foo wrote:
Great! Now you are directly at odds with what the most violent and aggressive people in those countries believe so fiercely they are willing to kill you and themselves over. Now what?
help the more moderate muslims / arabs to take and keep control from the more extreme of them?
What do you think we have been trying for the past 4 decades? Are you happy with the results?
blowing a country to hell, then pulling back, while there is a lack of any sort of leadership, seems to be what we do most often? where have we come in to support a more moderate leadership into power and give them the means to retain that power?
Blowing to hell? Really? What percentage of our military might do you think we use to bomb terrorist nations? We use the smallest weapons possible, and use them with expensive precision guidance systems. That is why it was a big deal when we finally dropped a Moab on that cave network.
If we wanted it blown to hell, it would be. And yes, we are ALWAYS trying to install moderate Muslims. This is why the extremists hate us.
which are these "terrorist countries" ?
isn't pulling out without any kind of actual leadership, in iraq, the way that isis came to power, more or less? maybe i need to look into this better.
Surely I do not need to list the nations in which we have had to perform military operations in to attack terror cells when you are clearly on the internet.
showa58taro wrote:I presume you 100% agree with Foo's false statement.
I do
Name me the middle eastern country that has functioning laws but also allows Christians to be killed without repercussions. Where it is literally legal to kill a Christian.
Because that's what Foo is stating. Not that Christians face persecution (they do) and harsh coditions (they do) and that they will likely face a risk of death by terrorists or others. Those are all valid problems. But that's not the assertion. His assertion, that YOU agree with, is that there are countries where it is legal and justifiable to murder a Christian.
I can name 1 country that allows execution of Christians.
200,000 Christians have been killed over the last two years due to their faith.
As I said, that is not your assertion. You made the much more extreme assertion that in "those places" a Christian could be killed and it would have no negative consequences.
Whereas the reality is that ISIS and other terrorist groups have targeted Christians, Boko Haram has killed loads of Christians. But they aren't doing so legally, nor with any government support.
As I said. there is 1 country I know of that literally allows Christians to be put to death for owning a Bible. And its no in the Middle East. Or in Africa.
Does the death of a non Muslim carry the same weight as a Muslim clearly it doesn't.
To you? Fair enough. I guess if you want to think of Muslim's as less worthy of life than others, that's your call... Seems pretty fucked up to me.
Foo wrote:
Great! Now you are directly at odds with what the most violent and aggressive people in those countries believe so fiercely they are willing to kill you and themselves over. Now what?
help the more moderate muslims / arabs to take and keep control from the more extreme of them?
What do you think we have been trying for the past 4 decades? Are you happy with the results?
blowing a country to hell, then pulling back, while there is a lack of any sort of leadership, seems to be what we do most often? where have we come in to support a more moderate leadership into power and give them the means to retain that power?
Blowing to hell? Really? What percentage of our military might do you think we use to bomb terrorist nations? We use the smallest weapons possible, and use them with expensive precision guidance systems. That is why it was a big deal when we finally dropped a Moab on that cave network.
If we wanted it blown to hell, it would be. And yes, we are ALWAYS trying to install moderate Muslims. This is why the extremists hate us.
which are these "terrorist countries" ?
isn't pulling out without any kind of actual leadership, in iraq, the way that isis came to power, more or less? maybe i need to look into this better.
Surely I do not need to list the nations in which we have had to perform military operations in to attack terror cells when you are clearly on the internet.
i guess i make some distinction between terror groups and the leadership of the countries in which those groups carried out their terror.
In Iraq we helped the moderates there draft a constitution, set up a temporary government, hold elections, and supported them in both installingbthe new government and improving the infrastructure.
showa58taro wrote:I presume you 100% agree with Foo's false statement.
I do
Name me the middle eastern country that has functioning laws but also allows Christians to be killed without repercussions. Where it is literally legal to kill a Christian.
Because that's what Foo is stating. Not that Christians face persecution (they do) and harsh coditions (they do) and that they will likely face a risk of death by terrorists or others. Those are all valid problems. But that's not the assertion. His assertion, that YOU agree with, is that there are countries where it is legal and justifiable to murder a Christian.
I can name 1 country that allows execution of Christians.
200,000 Christians have been killed over the last two years due to their faith.
As I said, that is not your assertion. You made the much more extreme assertion that in "those places" a Christian could be killed and it would have no negative consequences.
Whereas the reality is that ISIS and other terrorist groups have targeted Christians, Boko Haram has killed loads of Christians. But they aren't doing so legally, nor with any government support.
As I said. there is 1 country I know of that literally allows Christians to be put to death for owning a Bible. And its no in the Middle East. Or in Africa.
Does the death of a non Muslim carry the same weight as a Muslim clearly it doesn't.
To you? Fair enough. I guess if you want to think of Muslim's as less worthy of life than others, that's your call... Seems pretty fucked up to me.
? You might want to reread that last text old boy I said the death of a non Muslim
