President Donald J. Trump Inauguration Celebration

[Jason]

i don't have any reason to believe that you're acting out of malice. but the many of the public figures that you agree with and share to others are acting, i believe, out of malice or maybe just extreme disregard or apathy. but it feels more active than that. so yeah.

Yeah, you could be right. They've dug more into the topic than I have personally and have worked on framing their argument far more than I have so it's just easier to cite their argument to get a better understanding of my point of view. This could be just another money grab for them with no regard for the opposing argument as long as they win. I can't argue that.

do you have regard for the opposing argument? you seem kind of set in your point of view as well. i'm not accusing you of being the same as michael knowles but just that i don't see you giving ground on the issue at all.

My basic view as best as I can condense it is that if you're truly just a person suffering from dysphoria and not an opportunist then I have nothing but sympathy and wish the best in the journey to find happiness, but I think it's extremely important for this person to be fully aware where they stand statistically. You can't get anywhere if you're not honest with yourself.

[zombie]

i don't have any reason to believe that you're acting out of malice. but the many of the public figures that you agree with and share to others are acting, i believe, out of malice or maybe just extreme disregard or apathy. but it feels more active than that. so yeah.

Yeah, you could be right. They've dug more into the topic than I have personally and have worked on framing their argument far more than I have so it's just easier to cite their argument to get a better understanding of my point of view. This could be just another money grab for them with no regard for the opposing argument as long as they win. I can't argue that.

do you have regard for the opposing argument? you seem kind of set in your point of view as well. i'm not accusing you of being the same as michael knowles but just that i don't see you giving ground on the issue at all.

My basic view as best as I can condense it is that if you're truly just a person suffering from dysphoria and not an opportunist then I have nothing but sympathy and wish the best in the journey to find happiness, but I think it's extremely important for this person to be fully aware where they stand statistically. You can't get anywhere if you're not honest with yourself.

what do you mean where they stand statistically, and not honest with yourself?

[Jason]

i don't have any reason to believe that you're acting out of malice. but the many of the public figures that you agree with and share to others are acting, i believe, out of malice or maybe just extreme disregard or apathy. but it feels more active than that. so yeah.

Yeah, you could be right. They've dug more into the topic than I have personally and have worked on framing their argument far more than I have so it's just easier to cite their argument to get a better understanding of my point of view. This could be just another money grab for them with no regard for the opposing argument as long as they win. I can't argue that.

do you have regard for the opposing argument? you seem kind of set in your point of view as well. i'm not accusing you of being the same as michael knowles but just that i don't see you giving ground on the issue at all.

My basic view as best as I can condense it is that if you're truly just a person suffering from dysphoria and not an opportunist then I have nothing but sympathy and wish the best in the journey to find happiness, but I think it's extremely important for this person to be fully aware where they stand statistically. You can't get anywhere if you're not honest with yourself.

what do you mean where they stand statistically, and not honest with yourself?

I think the Healthcare industry benefits majorly from gender affirming surgery and will tell someone with dysphoria anything they want to hear in order to get the surgery done or to provide hormone blockers. Things like that. Statistically it's never shown to have an overall positive impact on their life in general. A lot of people also just suffer from autogynephelia and are lulled into thinking they're trapped in the wrong body when really they are just aroused by dressing and acting like the opposite sex.

[zombie]

i don't have any reason to believe that you're acting out of malice. but the many of the public figures that you agree with and share to others are acting, i believe, out of malice or maybe just extreme disregard or apathy. but it feels more active than that. so yeah.

Yeah, you could be right. They've dug more into the topic than I have personally and have worked on framing their argument far more than I have so it's just easier to cite their argument to get a better understanding of my point of view. This could be just another money grab for them with no regard for the opposing argument as long as they win. I can't argue that.

do you have regard for the opposing argument? you seem kind of set in your point of view as well. i'm not accusing you of being the same as michael knowles but just that i don't see you giving ground on the issue at all.

My basic view as best as I can condense it is that if you're truly just a person suffering from dysphoria and not an opportunist then I have nothing but sympathy and wish the best in the journey to find happiness, but I think it's extremely important for this person to be fully aware where they stand statistically. You can't get anywhere if you're not honest with yourself.

what do you mean where they stand statistically, and not honest with yourself?

I think the Healthcare industry benefits majorly from gender affirming surgery and will tell someone with dysphoria anything they want to hear in order to get the surgery done or to provide hormone blockers. Things like that. Statistically it's never shown to have an overall positive impact on their life in general. A lot of people also just suffer from autogynephelia and are lulled into thinking they're trapped in the wrong body when really they are just aroused by dressing and acting like the opposite sex.

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

[Jason]

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

I'm not opposed to anyone making a choice for themselves. As I said earlier I just think they need to be made fully aware of where they stand statistically before making those choices. Everyone is different I'm sure. And there is no arguing it is an extremely confusing and troubling thing to go through. If you've weighed your options, looked at the data and still think hormone blockers or surgery is best, then who am I to stop you? I truly wish you the best and hope you can achieve happiness.

[zombie]

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

I'm not opposed to anyone making a choice for themselves. As I said earlier I just think they need to be made fully aware of where they stand statistically before making those choices. Everyone is different I'm sure. And there is no arguing it is an extremely confusing and troubling thing to go through. If you've weighed your options, looked at the data and still think hormone blockers or surgery is best, then who am I to stop you? I truly wish you the best and hope you can achieve happiness.

cool. very tolerant. but this is where you and most conservative pundits, michael knowles included, part ways at least based on the way they speak on the subject and what they advocate for, or rail against. so they are evil (whether passively or actively) and you're not.

[Jason]

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

I'm not opposed to anyone making a choice for themselves. As I said earlier I just think they need to be made fully aware of where they stand statistically before making those choices. Everyone is different I'm sure. And there is no arguing it is an extremely confusing and troubling thing to go through. If you've weighed your options, looked at the data and still think hormone blockers or surgery is best, then who am I to stop you? I truly wish you the best and hope you can achieve happiness.

cool. very tolerant. but this is where you and most conservative pundits, michael knowles included, part ways at least based on the way they speak on the subject and what they advocate for, or rail against. so they are evil (whether passively or actively) and you're not.

I've come off less than tolerant on here a lot. And it's because I am intolerant of the opportunists and creeps, which is where I am directing it. And I feel like the opportunists and creeps make up a far larger portion of the transgender community than you probably do. I think that's the big disagreement here.

[zombie]

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

I'm not opposed to anyone making a choice for themselves. As I said earlier I just think they need to be made fully aware of where they stand statistically before making those choices. Everyone is different I'm sure. And there is no arguing it is an extremely confusing and troubling thing to go through. If you've weighed your options, looked at the data and still think hormone blockers or surgery is best, then who am I to stop you? I truly wish you the best and hope you can achieve happiness.

cool. very tolerant. but this is where you and most conservative pundits, michael knowles included, part ways at least based on the way they speak on the subject and what they advocate for, or rail against. so they are evil (whether passively or actively) and you're not.

I've come off less than tolerant on here a lot. And it's because I am intolerant of the opportunists and creeps, which is where I am directing it. And I feel like the opportunists and creeps make up a far larger portion of the transgender community than you probably do. I think that's the big disagreement here.

that is one of the larger parts of the disagreement, yeah. there are idiots and creeps and assholes among any group or demographic. it's not enough for me to condemn the whole group or demographic. my general feeling on this is just let them live their lives in the way that best works for them, because it really doesn't harm or bother anyone that isn't an asshole of some stripe or other. let them go to hell or not, in their own time. but just let them be who they are. and hold accountable the creeps or opportunists among them, as you would hold accountable creeps and opportunists among any other group or demographic. not worse, not better. they're just people. treat them like people.

[Jason]

eww. okay. safe to say i don't agree with a lot of what you just said. but you're welcome to it.

misgivings aside, what is the alternative for those that actually are dysphoric? you are opposed to surgery. i assume also that you're opposed to dressing to express the way they perceive themselves to be, too?

I'm not opposed to anyone making a choice for themselves. As I said earlier I just think they need to be made fully aware of where they stand statistically before making those choices. Everyone is different I'm sure. And there is no arguing it is an extremely confusing and troubling thing to go through. If you've weighed your options, looked at the data and still think hormone blockers or surgery is best, then who am I to stop you? I truly wish you the best and hope you can achieve happiness.

cool. very tolerant. but this is where you and most conservative pundits, michael knowles included, part ways at least based on the way they speak on the subject and what they advocate for, or rail against. so they are evil (whether passively or actively) and you're not.

I've come off less than tolerant on here a lot. And it's because I am intolerant of the opportunists and creeps, which is where I am directing it. And I feel like the opportunists and creeps make up a far larger portion of the transgender community than you probably do. I think that's the big disagreement here.

that is one of the larger parts of the disagreement, yeah. there are idiots and creeps and assholes among any group or demographic. it's not enough for me to condemn the whole group or demographic. my general feeling on this is just let them live their lives in the way that best works for them, because it really doesn't harm or bother anyone that isn't an asshole of some stripe or other. let them go to hell or not, in their own time. but just let them be who they are. and hold accountable the creeps or opportunists among them, as you would hold accountable creeps and opportunists among any other group or demographic. not worse, not better. they're just people. treat them like people.

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

[zombie]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

[Jason]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

[zombie]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

show me a creep or opportunist, that is comparable in prominence to michael knowles?

[Jason]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

show me a creep or opportunist, that is comparable in prominence to michael knowles?

I can list all the men in women's sports breaking all the records as being opportunists. As far as creeps there are plenty of reports about men creeping on women in bathrooms that I can link if you prefer.

[zombie]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

show me a creep or opportunist, that is comparable in prominence to michael knowles?

I can list all the men in women's sports breaking all the records as being opportunists. As far as creeps there are plenty of reports about men creeping on women in bathrooms that I can link if you prefer.

no. you're kind of showing what i mean. we can call it a night, here.

[Jason]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

show me a creep or opportunist, that is comparable in prominence to michael knowles?

I can list all the men in women's sports breaking all the records as being opportunists. As far as creeps there are plenty of reports about men creeping on women in bathrooms that I can link if you prefer.

no. you're kind of showing what i mean. we can call it a night, here.

Oh, you mean like a media or political figure on the left who is a creep or opportunist?

Gnight

[zombie]

I also think it's fair to assume that we don't want young children to have to suffer from gender dysphoria. I am of the belief that not exposing these ideas to their young and incredibly impressionable minds will drastically reduce the possibility of them suffering from it. And I think this is where the left begins to think that the opposition is evil or bad, they see it as those who oppose them do not want them to exist at all or are calling for transgender extinction, and do not realize that the opposition may simply not want the children to be exposed to it as they will eventually suffer greatly from it mentally.

if the focus was on looking out for children, and it was honest, there would be a lot less thinking the opposition is evil. i think the opposition largely, not everyone individually, seeks to force trans people to hide away who they are or suffer and die because it's ungodly or intolerable to them.

Those people certainly exist. And I think this is why it's heated. The left generally see most people on the right as what you mention above, and the right generally sees a significant portion of the left who are transgender as largely being creeps and opportunists. The vitriol from each side is directed at the small minority of the opposition.

show me a creep or opportunist, that is comparable in prominence to michael knowles?

I can list all the men in women's sports breaking all the records as being opportunists. As far as creeps there are plenty of reports about men creeping on women in bathrooms that I can link if you prefer.

no. you're kind of showing what i mean. we can call it a night, here.

Oh, you mean like a media or political figure on the left who is a creep or opportunist?

Gnight

yeah, basically. and who is similarly prominent to michael knowles, or any number of conservative figures in his orbit.

[Jason]

I don't really know of any political figure on the left I can compare him to. Most of the opposing stuff I see are people screaming about rights.

[zombie]

the most prominent trans media figure i can think of, though i don't think comparable to knowles in reach at all, is blaire white. and she's advocating for most of the same things that knowles is, herself. so yeah. the conservatives seem to have the market as far as the influence goes.

[Jason]

[Reign in Blood]

I don't know this Knowles dude or what his whole schtick is, but people get aggressive and rude because his thing is to sit there and tell them that they are fucked in the head, what they believe or want doesn't matter for shit, and they are going to be more fucked in the future. And he's not your doctor. I mean great guy to talk to.