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[Jason]

Horrible straw man. Tons of white men and women can fly planes, you can't point to one of the most elite positions in the most demanding psychical sport as some kind of gotcha.

This isn't a straw man at all. Flying commercial aircraft is an elite position and requires elite talent. When you lower the qualification process to pretend you're trying to be diverse, your intentions don't matter, you've made it immeasurably less safe and this isn't even an opinion.

[zombie]

do we know who the pilot or crew were, or are you going by adverts from the company, endeavor air, on tiktok?

When are you gonna learn to not ask me for sources?

take it as a reminder not to just believe what you read without proof?

This is why they're not releasing the pilots names imo. Same reason why they withheld the name of the LGBT obsessed woman who made the fatal error of crashing a helicopter into a commercial plane. They're oddly silent

DEI will undoubtedly get people killed at some point.

all sorts of cutting corners and hiring unqualified people have led to death or tragedy. crying dei is just a way to blame it on minorities or women.

Definitely no imo.

When the hiring process becomes anything other than hiring the most qualified and safest person for the job, you are increasing the risk of death drastically. This isn't about blaming minorities or women.

Here's an example. In the NFL, the cornerback position is dominated by black men. The reason for this is because the typical athleticism of black men is suited highly to positions like this. If the NFL were to create a DEI program to make half the NFL cornerbacks white, the talent pool of the cornerback position would drop dramatically. DEI is fooling people into thinking those who oppose it just hate minorities or women.

advertising that you're hiring women does not mean that you're hiring unqualified women. i need proof before i assume that a woman is unqualified for the job. the reason to make it a big political issue is so that companies hire white men instead of minorities and women. it is a way to associate women or minorities as unqualified. you're not doing that, but the sources you often link are doing that.

Were airlines ever refusing to hire female pilots? The differences lie in the extremes. An example can be that there are certainly plenty of women that are stronger than plenty of men. But if you take the 10,000 strongest people in the world, every single one of them will be men. And when it comes to operating commercial aircraft and things of that nature, you can't just lower the qualification process because you want to hire a lesbian female or a gay dude because there aren't enough gay people flying planes, etc...

i didn't say that lowering the qualifications to hire is justified. show me proof of that, then? show me that female pilots are held to lesser standards than male pilots?

[Reign in Blood]

Horrible straw man. Tons of white men and women can fly planes, you can't point to one of the most elite positions in the most demanding psychical sport as some kind of gotcha.

This isn't a straw man at all. Flying commercial aircraft is an elite position and requires elite talent. When you lower the qualification process to pretend you're trying to be diverse, your intentions don't matter, you've made it immeasurably less safe and this isn't even an opinion.

You are being completely disingenuous, and you know it. There are only a handful of people on the fucking planet that can play corner in the NFL, tons of women and people of color can fly planes at an elite level. You're doing this to tear them down. Stop it.

[Jason]

Horrible straw man. Tons of white men and women can fly planes, you can't point to one of the most elite positions in the most demanding psychical sport as some kind of gotcha.

This isn't a straw man at all. Flying commercial aircraft is an elite position and requires elite talent. When you lower the qualification process to pretend you're trying to be diverse, your intentions don't matter, you've made it immeasurably less safe and this isn't even an opinion.

You are being completely disingenuous, and you know it. There are only a handful of people on the fucking planet that can play corner in the NFL, tons of women and people of color can fly planes at an elite level. You're doing this to tear them down. Stop it.

Make as many false assumptions about my intentions as you'd like. You looked right past my point when I used the cornerback position to reverse DEI. The point is that if the NFL were to choose to be diverse in the cornerback position and make it more white, it would water down the talent pool dramatically.
Hint: Lowering your qualifications to be inclusive = an increase in lesser qualified individuals.

My argument is that lowering qualifications in the name of diversity is dangerous, so the blanket accusation of me saying women and minorities can't fly planes and I'm only doing this to tear them down is completely fucked up and you can go ahead and fuck yourself with that comment.

[Lazerus]

As a white man who's in a biracial relationship I find this entire topic fucking disgusting!
DEI does not cause people to get hurt, killed etc. Just WTF? And it certainly wasn't responsible for the helicopter crash

Just enough of this bullshit already!

[Jason]

As a white man who's in a biracial relationship I find this entire topic fucking disgusting!
DEI does not cause people to get hurt, killed etc. Just WTF? And it certainly wasn't responsible for the helicopter crash

Just enough of this bullshit already!

I don't know what championing yourself to be in a biracial relationship has to do with DEI but ok.

As a badass red-blooded American male married to a European immigrant I find illegal immigration to be fucking disgusting.

[zombie]

speaking of what does this have to do with the convo... why are you bringing up immigration?

[Reign in Blood]

Horrible straw man. Tons of white men and women can fly planes, you can't point to one of the most elite positions in the most demanding psychical sport as some kind of gotcha.

This isn't a straw man at all. Flying commercial aircraft is an elite position and requires elite talent. When you lower the qualification process to pretend you're trying to be diverse, your intentions don't matter, you've made it immeasurably less safe and this isn't even an opinion.

You are being completely disingenuous, and you know it. There are only a handful of people on the fucking planet that can play corner in the NFL, tons of women and people of color can fly planes at an elite level. You're doing this to tear them down. Stop it.

Make as many false assumptions about my intentions as you'd like. You looked right past my point when I used the cornerback position to reverse DEI. The point is that if the NFL were to choose to be diverse in the cornerback position and make it more white, it would water down the talent pool dramatically.
Hint: Lowering your qualifications to be inclusive = an increase in lesser qualified individuals.

My argument is that lowering qualifications in the name of diversity is dangerous, so the blanket accusation of me saying women and minorities can't fly planes and I'm only doing this to tear them down is completely fucked up and you can go ahead and fuck yourself with that comment.

Bullshit. You came strolling in here to tear them down strictly because they might be women flying the fucking plane. Then you use the stupidest analogy. The NFL doesn't give a shit about safety, they care about money. They will absolutely hire a pink girl if it makes them fucking money.

[Jason]

Bullshit. You came strolling in here to tear them down strictly because they might be women flying the fucking plane.

No, genius. I came strolling in here to shit on DEI and the fact you're choosing to see otherwise tells me you really don't give a shit about any argument I might present as long as you can manipulate my intentions.

[Reign in Blood]

Jason, females have been flying planes just fine for a long fucking time now. They can't play Cornerback in the NFL, never have.

[Jason]

Jason, females have been flying planes just fine for a long fucking time now. They can't play Cornerback in the NFL, never have.

Reign, I never said females haven't flown planes. I never said females can play corner in the NFL.

[Reign in Blood]

Yeah, you used it to dog white men. It was all stupid.

[Jason]

Yeah, you used it to dog white men. It was all stupid.

Once again, no. I used it to dog DEI. Suggesting black men are generally better at the cornerback position than white men is not dogging white men. I'm suggesting if the NFL tried to be more "diverse" and "inclusive" at the cornerback position by making it 50-50 white/black, it would lessen the talent pool. The criticism is of "diversity" and "inclusiveness", not the color of skin in the talent pool.

[zombie]

show proof that hiring women was done in disregard to their qualification for the job, instead of blasting out with all of the diversity inclusion equity is bad! talking points?

[Reign in Blood]

Nobody even knows what you're on about. Women can't fly, whiteys can't play, blackeys are gay.

[Jason]

show proof that hiring women was done in disregard to their qualification for the job, instead of blasting out with all of the diversity inclusion equity is bad! talking points?

The proof is all over Endeavor and Delta's websites. These airlines themselves list one of their top priorities is promoting DEI and we are supposed to assume that DEI has absolutely nothing to do with it? They suddenly can't even perform a routine landing and there is no reason to question their intentions at all?

[Jason]

Nobody even knows what you're on about. Women can't fly, whiteys can't play, blackeys are gay.

Another room temperature IQ take from you. Congrats.

[Reign in Blood]

BTW, I'm good with every time something goes wrong and a female or minority has a hand in it, we blame it on DEI. I'm all for efficiency and that is a good time saver.

[Lazerus]

As a white man who's in a biracial relationship I find this entire topic fucking disgusting!
DEI does not cause people to get hurt, killed etc. Just WTF? And it certainly wasn't responsible for the helicopter crash

Just enough of this bullshit already!

I don't know what championing yourself to be in a biracial relationship has to do with DEI but ok.

As a badass red-blooded American male married to a European immigrant I find illegal immigration to be fucking disgusting.

Championing myself? You've known for years I am in a biracial relationship. I just found this topic disgusting and said something about it!

And why are you bringing up illegal immigration? Have you not seen my post supporting the deportations?

[Jason]

BTW, I'm good with every time something goes wrong and a female or minority has a hand in it, we blame it on DEI. I'm all for efficiency and that is a good time saver.

Good. And the next time it happens and you "don't know what I'm on about" you can't just slander who I am and accuse me of using it as my opportunity to shit on women and "blackeys" as you put it.