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zombie wrote:something needs to be done, but you shouldn't excuse or dismiss civilian casualties. you should make your best effort to not kill civilians. you shouldn't be looking for excuses to justify the death of civilians. if it happens, call it out. hold soldiers responsible where they fuck up. don't just blow it off, cause you feel like "the north korean citizens should have cleaned up for themselves. so oh well".
That is the reality of allowing your government to be run by such a regime. Either you take up arms to stop it or someone else will. This whole notion of "civilian" is also very deceptive. Today's civilian is tomorrow's enemy soldier.

If you were called to defend your nation from an enemy threat would you fight?
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No, because I feel no particular pride just from having being born in this country. More likely, I'd urge people not to fight.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:something needs to be done, but you shouldn't excuse or dismiss civilian casualties. you should make your best effort to not kill civilians. you shouldn't be looking for excuses to justify the death of civilians. if it happens, call it out. hold soldiers responsible where they fuck up. don't just blow it off, cause you feel like "the north korean citizens should have cleaned up for themselves. so oh well".
That is the reality of allowing your government to be run by such a regime. Either you take up arms to stop it or someone else will. This whole notion of "civilian" is also very deceptive. Today's civilian is tomorrow's enemy soldier.

If you were called to defend your nation from an enemy threat would you fight?
i make a distinction between citizens of the country and the leadership of that country, and you would want that too, if it was action against our country.

if there was a war within our borders, or along our borders, and i was called to fight, i probably would. if it was a war overseas somewhere, in the name of defending our country, i would want to know the situation.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:something needs to be done, but you shouldn't excuse or dismiss civilian casualties. you should make your best effort to not kill civilians. you shouldn't be looking for excuses to justify the death of civilians. if it happens, call it out. hold soldiers responsible where they fuck up. don't just blow it off, cause you feel like "the north korean citizens should have cleaned up for themselves. so oh well".
That is the reality of allowing your government to be run by such a regime. Either you take up arms to stop it or someone else will. This whole notion of "civilian" is also very deceptive. Today's civilian is tomorrow's enemy soldier.

If you were called to defend your nation from an enemy threat would you fight?
i make a distinction between citizens of the country and the leadership of that country, and you would want that too, if it was action against our country.

if there was a war within our borders, or along our borders, and i was called to fight, i probably would. if it was a war overseas somewhere, in the name of defending our country, i would want to know the situation.
Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
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It's not counter thinking or progressive thinking to think you don't want anyone killed everyone thinks that but that's not reality. If we decided to eliminate the threat of North Korea tomorrow I would understand because of the greater good.
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Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
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For the greater good of the earth this threat must be eliminated.
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Kims not stupid he knows with trump as president he's obliterated if he ever hurts anyone. Democrats would be sending him pallets of money to agree not to kill people not now but later.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
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Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
okay. they're all complicit with kim jong un. the subjugated are just as guilty as the subjugator.
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zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
okay. they're all complicit with kim jong un. the subjugated are just as guilty as the subjugator.
Zombs you know their leader is building an arsenal to kill all of us right? You want someone like him having that ability?
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Tiggnutz wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
okay. they're all complicit with kim jong un. the subjugated are just as guilty as the subjugator.
Zombs you know their leader is building an arsenal to kill all of us right? You want someone like him having that ability?
not at all, but that's some good twist.
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Tiggnutz wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
okay. they're all complicit with kim jong un. the subjugated are just as guilty as the subjugator.
Zombs you know their leader is building an arsenal to kill all of us right? You want someone like him having that ability?
Nah, we just keep giving them anything they want and we will all be safe. It is a beautiful, peaceful system.
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Foo wrote:
Tiggnutz wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote:
zombie wrote:
Foo wrote: Which is my point. There is little distinction. Not saying I want anyone killed, but unless your plan is surrender, people will be killed regardless.
if i'm fighting against a foreign invader, i'm effectively a soldier. soldiers know what they're getting into.
North Korea has compulsary military service until age 60. Practically every able bodied male is part of their military, either active duty or reserve.
okay. they're all complicit with kim jong un. the subjugated are just as guilty as the subjugator.
Zombs you know their leader is building an arsenal to kill all of us right? You want someone like him having that ability?
Nah, we just keep giving them anything they want and we will all be safe. It is a beautiful, peaceful system.
If only that's what was happening.
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