August 1st 2018a

[Foo]

Nothing wrong with the woman making more money. Sounds like she found a niche, which is great.

My fiancé is a smoking hot dentist who speaks perfect English and Spanish. She will be like a cash register that dispenses dollars and pesos!

Nice.

Totally nothing wrong with her making more money. We've just been competing with each other the past 5 years. I was in the lead for about 5 months. Now, she is blowing me out of the water. (that sounds funny). It's a healthy competition though. We motivate each other this way. I'm very proud of her.

Need to step up your music game, sir. Start playing "Greensleeves" in italian restaurants on friday night and shit.

Been thinking of doing something similar, tbh. Nowadays, original bands pay to play. My band refuses to pay $615 to play a 30 minute set, to open up for a band that had a song at #84 on the billboard charts for a week in 2003. (This actually is from a recent true story).

I tried getting back into teaching as a side gig, but with YouTube and technology, you can teach yourself much easier. Me, I had to just play to the radio and my older brothers records. My parents refused to pay $8 a half hour for lessons. These days, it's $25 a half hour.

Yeah, was not kidding or being mean. That is where the money is for your average musician. Unless you have the machine behind you, there is no money in it.

Have been to a lot of events with music and good cover bands can make some decent money, but dudes in their 30's and 40's playing original hard rock and metal are background noise for the masses and are really playing for their friends and family. Some have set up gimmick tables trying to sell merchandise but most don't even bother. They are forgotten right after they go off stage.

I know, you were just giving advice. And I respect you when it comes to shit like that.

That's why I joined a band with 20 year olds to play originals. It's just the reality of today's internet age.

I paid a guy $100 to play guitar for 3 hours last week. Not saying that is a ton of money, but that is also just me paying him to play next to a food truck after his regular job. I think he was too cheap, but there is probably some other person out there doing it for less or free.

Dude.....that's $30 an hour! That's pretty good for just one person. Kudos.

Really? We tipped him $20 and fed him twice. Thought we were being cheapskates. Can't get a plumber out for that.

Yeah man. I mean....it sounds like he might be starting out and getting some exposure. Now, if he were some seasoned veteran who had a following, he wouldn't have accepted that wage. But starting out and helping him get his name out....feeding him twice and giving him a tip ....that's pretty good these days. For realz.

Nah, he has been playing for like 35 years. He is almost 60 and does a lot of studio stuff and gives lessons.

I think he has given up on becoming a name.

[Foo]

We do a lot of work with wineries and breweries. It is a very common mistake to either play the radio, cds, itunes, or even have a cover band come in.

If it gets big enough or the wrong person sees it, lawyers for the labels will show up and threaten lawsuits over commercial use. We were booked at a weekly event a winery had and they cancelled it and all future ones for that reason.

Basically, the lawyers show up with documentation you have done this X number of times. They offer to settle that day for X amount or they will sue you.

[Jmac Attack]

Nothing wrong with the woman making more money. Sounds like she found a niche, which is great.

My fiancé is a smoking hot dentist who speaks perfect English and Spanish. She will be like a cash register that dispenses dollars and pesos!

Nice.

Totally nothing wrong with her making more money. We've just been competing with each other the past 5 years. I was in the lead for about 5 months. Now, she is blowing me out of the water. (that sounds funny). It's a healthy competition though. We motivate each other this way. I'm very proud of her.

Need to step up your music game, sir. Start playing "Greensleeves" in italian restaurants on friday night and shit.

Been thinking of doing something similar, tbh. Nowadays, original bands pay to play. My band refuses to pay $615 to play a 30 minute set, to open up for a band that had a song at #84 on the billboard charts for a week in 2003. (This actually is from a recent true story).

I tried getting back into teaching as a side gig, but with YouTube and technology, you can teach yourself much easier. Me, I had to just play to the radio and my older brothers records. My parents refused to pay $8 a half hour for lessons. These days, it's $25 a half hour.

Yeah, was not kidding or being mean. That is where the money is for your average musician. Unless you have the machine behind you, there is no money in it.

Have been to a lot of events with music and good cover bands can make some decent money, but dudes in their 30's and 40's playing original hard rock and metal are background noise for the masses and are really playing for their friends and family. Some have set up gimmick tables trying to sell merchandise but most don't even bother. They are forgotten right after they go off stage.

I know, you were just giving advice. And I respect you when it comes to shit like that.

That's why I joined a band with 20 year olds to play originals. It's just the reality of today's internet age.

I paid a guy $100 to play guitar for 3 hours last week. Not saying that is a ton of money, but that is also just me paying him to play next to a food truck after his regular job. I think he was too cheap, but there is probably some other person out there doing it for less or free.

Dude.....that's $30 an hour! That's pretty good for just one person. Kudos.

Really? We tipped him $20 and fed him twice. Thought we were being cheapskates. Can't get a plumber out for that.

Yeah man. I mean....it sounds like he might be starting out and getting some exposure. Now, if he were some seasoned veteran who had a following, he wouldn't have accepted that wage. But starting out and helping him get his name out....feeding him twice and giving him a tip ....that's pretty good these days. For realz.

Nah, he has been playing for like 35 years. He is almost 60 and does a lot of studio stuff and gives lessons.

I think he has given up on becoming a name.

Then that's still a good wage. I see what you're saying though. Deep down, you think he deserves more, and you're right. However, $100 bones is good for three hours if he agreed to it. Around here, pay to play for recognition is norm. My band refuses to do that.

[Foo]

It's the same reasoning that you cannot show movies from DVDs you own and charge admission or profit from the showings. You don't own the commercial display rights, just personal viewing rights.

[Jmac Attack]

It's the same reasoning that you cannot show movies from DVDs you own and charge admission or profit from the showings. You don't own the commercial display rights, just personal viewing rights.

That makes total sense, actually.

[Jmac Attack]

We are not trying to profit off the song to make it clear. In fact, I hated that song but an ex band member mentioned covering it. So, as a joke, I played how I thought the song went. The rest of the band jumped in, and it just sounded so good that it stuck with us.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

We are not trying to profit off the song to make it clear. In fact, I hated that song but an ex band member mentioned covering it. So, as a joke, I played how I thought the song went. The rest of the band jumped in, and it just sounded so good that it stuck with us.

Look into it. It may simply be a blessing thing now. I know Weird Al likes to get permission to do a parody, but he'll still do one without and he's been legally fine (though, parody is exempt from copyright, I just used that as an example).

[Foo]

Nothing wrong with the woman making more money. Sounds like she found a niche, which is great.

My fiancé is a smoking hot dentist who speaks perfect English and Spanish. She will be like a cash register that dispenses dollars and pesos!

Nice.

Totally nothing wrong with her making more money. We've just been competing with each other the past 5 years. I was in the lead for about 5 months. Now, she is blowing me out of the water. (that sounds funny). It's a healthy competition though. We motivate each other this way. I'm very proud of her.

Need to step up your music game, sir. Start playing "Greensleeves" in italian restaurants on friday night and shit.

Been thinking of doing something similar, tbh. Nowadays, original bands pay to play. My band refuses to pay $615 to play a 30 minute set, to open up for a band that had a song at #84 on the billboard charts for a week in 2003. (This actually is from a recent true story).

I tried getting back into teaching as a side gig, but with YouTube and technology, you can teach yourself much easier. Me, I had to just play to the radio and my older brothers records. My parents refused to pay $8 a half hour for lessons. These days, it's $25 a half hour.

Yeah, was not kidding or being mean. That is where the money is for your average musician. Unless you have the machine behind you, there is no money in it.

Have been to a lot of events with music and good cover bands can make some decent money, but dudes in their 30's and 40's playing original hard rock and metal are background noise for the masses and are really playing for their friends and family. Some have set up gimmick tables trying to sell merchandise but most don't even bother. They are forgotten right after they go off stage.

I know, you were just giving advice. And I respect you when it comes to shit like that.

That's why I joined a band with 20 year olds to play originals. It's just the reality of today's internet age.

I paid a guy $100 to play guitar for 3 hours last week. Not saying that is a ton of money, but that is also just me paying him to play next to a food truck after his regular job. I think he was too cheap, but there is probably some other person out there doing it for less or free.

Dude.....that's $30 an hour! That's pretty good for just one person. Kudos.

Really? We tipped him $20 and fed him twice. Thought we were being cheapskates. Can't get a plumber out for that.

Yeah man. I mean....it sounds like he might be starting out and getting some exposure. Now, if he were some seasoned veteran who had a following, he wouldn't have accepted that wage. But starting out and helping him get his name out....feeding him twice and giving him a tip ....that's pretty good these days. For realz.

Nah, he has been playing for like 35 years. He is almost 60 and does a lot of studio stuff and gives lessons.

I think he has given up on becoming a name.

Then that's still a good wage. I see what you're saying though. Deep down, you think he deserves more, and you're right. However, $100 bones is good for three hours if he agreed to it. Around here, pay to play for recognition is norm. My band refuses to do that.

As the food truck boom has happened, I see a lot of trucks doing things for "exposure". It is total bullshit and they end up out of the business on no time. No one will ever respect you if you don't charge. You are doing the right thing. Exposure you have to pay for or do for free just leads to more of the same.

[Foo]

We are not trying to profit off the song to make it clear. In fact, I hated that song but an ex band member mentioned covering it. So, as a joke, I played how I thought the song went. The rest of the band jumped in, and it just sounded so good that it stuck with us.

Look into it. It may simply be a blessing thing now. I know Weird Al likes to get permission to do a parody, but he'll still do one without and he's been legally fine (though, parody is exempt from copyright, I just used that as an example).

The real problem is that you can be 100% correct legally and still lose because you are forced to fight it.

[Foo]

And it is always tough with artists and fair pay. Just to give an example, let's say an artist needs work. Are you exploiting them by paying them less than their market rate because although you want the art, you don't need it?

[Jmac Attack]

We are not trying to profit off the song to make it clear. In fact, I hated that song but an ex band member mentioned covering it. So, as a joke, I played how I thought the song went. The rest of the band jumped in, and it just sounded so good that it stuck with us.

Look into it. It may simply be a blessing thing now. I know Weird Al likes to get permission to do a parody, but he'll still do one without and he's been legally fine (though, parody is exempt from copyright, I just used that as an example).

The real problem is that you can be 100% correct legally and still lose because you are forced to fight it.

People expect art for free these days. It's a bitch. I don't excpet a guy to work on my brakes, just to pay me for exposure. I agree with ya. It's just frustrating when others think you should be in the big time, but society says you can't (metaphorically). I mean, I always wonder why D isn't being hit up by big time movie companies because he is really good and legit. His art is out there. And people see it. I was going to buy a piece of his art, but had car trouble and was paying out of pocket for my kid's therapist. And that happened all of a sudden.

As a businessman, what advice would you give to me? I run my band as a business, but underneath the surface. On the surface, we look like we are just having fun. But I am known as a business-like mind in my local music community. Any advice is appreciated even if I disagree.

[Jmac Attack]

And it is always tough with artists and fair pay. Just to give an example, let's say an artist needs work. Are you exploiting them by paying them less than their market rate because although you want the art, you don't need it?

Great point.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

[Jmac Attack]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

Sleepaway Camp is campy brilliance! Bad acting, etc. I've never seen The Prowler though.

[Jason]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

Sleepaway Camp
The Prowler
Tourist Trap

Love all three, though.

[DancesWithWerewolves]

And it is always tough with artists and fair pay. Just to give an example, let's say an artist needs work. Are you exploiting them by paying them less than their market rate because although you want the art, you don't need it?

Depends on the "market rate". Hell, I price myself way below the recommended rate for starting artists, and I'm still told I'm too high. Just last week I got told "you must think mighty high of yourself."

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

Sleepaway Camp is campy brilliance! Bad acting, etc. I've never seen The Prowler though.

Maybe The Prowler is too high in actual film-making quality for him to enjoy. The more badly made, or absurd, he enjoys. :p

[Jmac Attack]

And it is always tough with artists and fair pay. Just to give an example, let's say an artist needs work. Are you exploiting them by paying them less than their market rate because although you want the art, you don't need it?

Depends on the "market rate". Hell, I price myself way below the recommended rate for starting artists, and I'm still told I'm too high. Just last week I got told "you must think mighty high of yourself."

At shows, I always show your work to people. And the response is always, "wow!". Not even kidding.

[Jmac Attack]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

Sleepaway Camp is campy brilliance! Bad acting, etc. I've never seen The Prowler though.

Maybe The Prowler is too high in actual film-making quality for him to enjoy. The more badly made, or absurd, he enjoys. :p

Ok, gotta check it out then!

[Jmac Attack]

Joe Bob liked Tourist Trap and Sleepaway Camp more than The Prowler? WTF? He must be getting tired at this point in the marathon

Sleepaway Camp
The Prowler
Tourist Trap

Love all three, though.

Sleepaway Camp series is one of the best. I know you dig it too. I even liked Return to Sleepaway a lot. I need to watch that one again. Haven't seen it since 2011.