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it is not racist (or bigoted in any other way) to share a culture or have camaraderie with others who share that identity. or to even have pride in your identity.
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Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.
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Foo wrote:Is anything whiter than James Bond? Maybe the Dukes of Hazzard or Sherlock Holmes...

Then I just remembered they had Lucy Liu play Watson.
British culture. Redneck culture.

What is "white culture"?
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Foo wrote:Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.
I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.
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zombie wrote:it is not racist (or bigoted in any other way) to share a culture or have camaraderie with others who share that identity. or to even have pride in your identity.
Oh really, tell me how you support white nationalism.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Just to humor you so you no longer have any excuses to duck the question, no. I'm of the opinion that there is no "white" culture. Different white-dominant nationalities have their own distinctive cultures. White America does not have a distinctive culture, nor do "white people" as a whole.
Perhaps the white race is the only race that is generally not racist then, since there is no culture or no camaraderie based on sharing the same skin tone.
Race itself is a social construct. White people never had to forge a common identity the way black people in America did. The Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans etc. all paved their individual paths.

So are you not going to answer the question? What is "white culture"?
"Did". Notice the past tense you referenced there? No reason for it to exist today. And why is "Brown Pride" ok?

General white culture tends to be working the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family, staying out of prison, rock concerts, etc... basically any Bruce Springsteen song.
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Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Just to humor you so you no longer have any excuses to duck the question, no. I'm of the opinion that there is no "white" culture. Different white-dominant nationalities have their own distinctive cultures. White America does not have a distinctive culture, nor do "white people" as a whole.
Perhaps the white race is the only race that is generally not racist then, since there is no culture or no camaraderie based on sharing the same skin tone.
Race itself is a social construct. White people never had to forge a common identity the way black people in America did. The Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans etc. all paved their individual paths.

So are you not going to answer the question? What is "white culture"?
"Did". Notice the past tense you referenced there? No reason for it to exist today. And why is "Brown Pride" ok?

General white culture tends to be working the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family, staying out of prison, rock concerts, etc... basically any Bruce Springsteen song.
Yes, I noticed the arbitrary tense I used. You can lose your mind over it if you want. The legacy of slavery lives on through today.

"Working on the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family"...you're describing most of the world. Is that the best you can come up with?
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Foo wrote:My issue is of one-sidedness. It is NEVER a problem for a gay woman to play a straight role, but suddenly it is a huge deal iif a straight woman plays a gay role.

If James Bond became black, all the SJWs would cream their pants. If Black Panther became white, they would burn the city down.
Blade would've a better example. I saw the very-African specific Black Panther rebuttal coming thousands of miles away :P
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Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.
I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.
Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.
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Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Just to humor you so you no longer have any excuses to duck the question, no. I'm of the opinion that there is no "white" culture. Different white-dominant nationalities have their own distinctive cultures. White America does not have a distinctive culture, nor do "white people" as a whole.
Perhaps the white race is the only race that is generally not racist then, since there is no culture or no camaraderie based on sharing the same skin tone.
Race itself is a social construct. White people never had to forge a common identity the way black people in America did. The Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans etc. all paved their individual paths.

So are you not going to answer the question? What is "white culture"?
"Did". Notice the past tense you referenced there? No reason for it to exist today. And why is "Brown Pride" ok?

General white culture tends to be working the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family, staying out of prison, rock concerts, etc... basically any Bruce Springsteen song.
Yes, I noticed the arbitrary tense I used. You can lose your mind over it if you want. The legacy of slavery lives on through today.

"Working on the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family"...you're describing most of the world. Is that the best you can come up with?
And there's your problem right there.

Yep. White people are the only race who haven't seemed to forge a bond over their skin color. I could be proud of that, but then I would be racist.
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Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.
I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.
Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.
What is white American identity?
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DancesWithWerewolves wrote:
Foo wrote:My issue is of one-sidedness. It is NEVER a problem for a gay woman to play a straight role, but suddenly it is a huge deal iif a straight woman plays a gay role.

If James Bond became black, all the SJWs would cream their pants. If Black Panther became white, they would burn the city down.
Blade would've a better example. I saw the very-African specific Black Panther rebuttal coming thousands of miles away :P
I don't know how many were aware Blade was a comic property, or even cared. I saw him in the Spider-Man cartoon but still didn't make the connection until seeing it again later.
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Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Just to humor you so you no longer have any excuses to duck the question, no. I'm of the opinion that there is no "white" culture. Different white-dominant nationalities have their own distinctive cultures. White America does not have a distinctive culture, nor do "white people" as a whole.
Perhaps the white race is the only race that is generally not racist then, since there is no culture or no camaraderie based on sharing the same skin tone.
Race itself is a social construct. White people never had to forge a common identity the way black people in America did. The Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans etc. all paved their individual paths.

So are you not going to answer the question? What is "white culture"?
"Did". Notice the past tense you referenced there? No reason for it to exist today. And why is "Brown Pride" ok?

General white culture tends to be working the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family, staying out of prison, rock concerts, etc... basically any Bruce Springsteen song.
Yes, I noticed the arbitrary tense I used. You can lose your mind over it if you want. The legacy of slavery lives on through today.

"Working on the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family"...you're describing most of the world. Is that the best you can come up with?
And there's your problem right there.

Yep. White people are the only race who haven't seemed to forge a bond over their skin color. I could be proud of that, but then I would be racist.
What's my problem?

It's almost like they didn't forge a bond because they weren't lumped together into a single group to be discriminated against . . .
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Headhunter wrote:Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?
Total guess, but I'd wager Japan has a higher incarceration of Japanese people than they do caucasians...
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Jason wrote:That's the double standard. If they made an all white movie like DOPE or Friday where white culture was celebrated every liberal would cry about it.

I'd be annoyed at a white Friday cast. The left's entire structure is built around hypocrisy, though. So it's easy to point out.
Jason, what is the "white culture" you were referring to when you made this point about hypocrisy?
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Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?
Total guess, but I'd wager Japan has a higher incarceration of Japanese people than they do caucasians...
The rate, not the total number. Do you understand how an incarceration rate is calculated?
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Just to humor you so you no longer have any excuses to duck the question, no. I'm of the opinion that there is no "white" culture. Different white-dominant nationalities have their own distinctive cultures. White America does not have a distinctive culture, nor do "white people" as a whole.
Perhaps the white race is the only race that is generally not racist then, since there is no culture or no camaraderie based on sharing the same skin tone.
Race itself is a social construct. White people never had to forge a common identity the way black people in America did. The Jewish, Irish, Italians, Germans etc. all paved their individual paths.

So are you not going to answer the question? What is "white culture"?
"Did". Notice the past tense you referenced there? No reason for it to exist today. And why is "Brown Pride" ok?

General white culture tends to be working the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family, staying out of prison, rock concerts, etc... basically any Bruce Springsteen song.
Yes, I noticed the arbitrary tense I used. You can lose your mind over it if you want. The legacy of slavery lives on through today.

"Working on the daily grind, busting your ass to provide for the family"...you're describing most of the world. Is that the best you can come up with?
And there's your problem right there.

Yep. White people are the only race who haven't seemed to forge a bond over their skin color. I could be proud of that, but then I would be racist.
What's my problem?

It's almost like they didn't forge a bond because they weren't lumped together into a single group to be discriminated against . . .
Your problem is thinking slavery still exists in America, today.

Hundreds of years ago when every race stuck together and the whites prevailed over the natives, it was the whites who welcomed all cultures. If native Americans won, they'd still be scalping the hair of white women and hanging it from the center pole of their apache wicki-ups, to be fair.

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Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Foo wrote:Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.
I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.
Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.
What is white American identity?
It is regional. Rocky is a Philly/Jersey/New York Italian-American Stereotype, The Departed is full of Boston Stereotypes, the Dukes of Hazzard is a Southern Sterotype. Roseanne, All in The Family, Maried with Children depict suburban white American stereotypes.
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Headhunter wrote:
Jason wrote:
Headhunter wrote:Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?
Total guess, but I'd wager Japan has a higher incarceration of Japanese people than they do caucasians...
The rate, not the total number. Do you understand how an incarceration rate is calculated?
Plug "rate" into my post.
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