Jason wrote:You like girls, Billy doesn't. :pzombie wrote:to me, the power of the film is the mystery of the killer and allowing him to live on, not wrapping everything up in the end. but fair enough.
jess survived everything we saw in the film, on her own accord. the same can not be said of some other great, more highly regarded final girls.
i'll still acknowledge where i see a girl not making it out of the movie. like sarah in the descent (until the sequel. )
I don't care about wrapping everything up, I was just pointing out that Jess died and explaining why there shouldn't be any doubt behind that fact.zombie wrote:to me, the power of the film is the mystery of the killer and allowing him to live on, not wrapping everything up in the end. but fair enough.
jess survived everything we saw in the film, on her own accord. the same can not be said of some other great, more highly regarded final girls.
apparently i was mistaken about her fate, during the credits. still, everything we saw onscreen was her saving herself. draw from that what you want.Slaughterhouserock wrote:I don't care about wrapping everything up, I was just pointing out that Jess died and explaining why there shouldn't be any doubt behind that fact.zombie wrote:to me, the power of the film is the mystery of the killer and allowing him to live on, not wrapping everything up in the end. but fair enough.
jess survived everything we saw in the film, on her own accord. the same can not be said of some other great, more highly regarded final girls.
Also, not debating that. She was great. Even tried to pull the hero card at the end by going to find her friends instead of saving herself. It almost worked out, but she got caught up in the narrative the police put in her head, so she ended up killing her ex, which led to her off-screen death. One mistake fucked her in the end, and it's all that idiot cop's fault.
He needs to do that anyways and stop being a candy ass! All day, no gym going candy ass.zombie wrote:now that you're here, you can join in my cause of making jason compile a top 100 horror films, and see where he ranks black christmas in comparison to friday the 13th 4!
Clark has said they wanted the ending to be the boyfriend turning to her and calling her Agnes. He thought it was shit, and was able to keep it as is. I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in that short tv documentary about the film.zombie wrote:i'm reading on imdb that the studio wanted bob clark to be more definitive about jess's fate. (including potentially revealing clare's boyfriend to be "billy" before he kills jess) and he opted for the ending we got. though there is no source given.
have a library card? it's possible you can watch it online, with kanopy and it says its from shout factory.Jason wrote:The old DVD. Would've liked to have seen the blu ray transfer from Shout Factory.
so he opted not to have a definitive death, but then complained, at some point, that the studio didn't like jess being "left for dead" because she survived everything else. weird.Slaughterhouserock wrote:Clark has said they wanted the ending to be the boyfriend turning to her and calling her Agnes. He thought it was shit, and was able to keep it as is. I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in that short tv documentary about the film.zombie wrote:i'm reading on imdb that the studio wanted bob clark to be more definitive about jess's fate. (including potentially revealing clare's boyfriend to be "billy" before he kills jess) and he opted for the ending we got. though there is no source given.
It had nothing to do with her dying. It was about giving Billy an identity. Billy was intentionally left unknown from the start, but after they saw it, the studio wanted a "clean" ending with the killer being identified. Luckily, he was able to talk them out of it, because the original ending is so much better than that crap.zombie wrote:so he opted not to have a definitive death, but then complained, at some point, that the studio didn't like jess being "left for dead" because she survived everything else. weird.
agreed, it's much better that we didn't learn the identity of the killer. they specifically wanted an onscreen definitive death, along with the reveal. he didn't. and we got what we got.Slaughterhouserock wrote:It had nothing to do with her dying. It was about giving Billy an identity. Billy was intentionally left unknown from the start, but after they saw it, the studio wanted a "clean" ending with the killer being identified. Luckily, he was able to talk them out of it, because the original ending is so much better than that crap.zombie wrote:so he opted not to have a definitive death, but then complained, at some point, that the studio didn't like jess being "left for dead" because she survived everything else. weird.
so just watch online somewhere. that's a waste of a new transfer.Jason wrote:I'm not gonna watch from beginning to end. I'll fast forward to key plot points and shit. I'm thinking about watching The Exorcist tonight. Even for those who don't find it the least bit creepy, the acting and directing is phenomenal.
