Random Political Comments

[Jigsaw]

I’m not even casting judgment when I say this, just so you know. But this is just how things work when you’re a square peg in a two party round hole. The effect is largely going to be that your vote benefits the major party you have less ideological common ground with. Yes, Democrats bad, sure, got it. I’m certain the GOP’s grand designs wouldn’t make you happy. If you can compartmentalize and separate your vote from the bigger picture, or even if you can’t and you’re just okay with it, that’s all that matters.

I'm looking at the bigger picture. Voting third party is looking at the bigger picture. I am sure many disagree, or wouldn't see it that way, but as far as I am concerned, voting third party is THE ONLY WAY this county, and this world, could ever be a place that's actually worth fighting for. Voting for the lesser of two evils every four years will only continue to fuck everyone over. Over and over again.

And yet I'm somehow the bad guy.

[Jigsaw]

Didn't watch the debate because neither Biden nor Trump are worth shit.

Hawkins 2020.

2020 total votes, or like, to win?

In Indiana, Stein got about 7,400 write-in votes in 2016 (up from a mere ~700 that she got in 2012), so at least for my state, I'd like to see him get at least 3,500, though ideally more like 4,800, somewhere in that range.

Either way, I think we can all agree that Hawkins will get more than 2,020 total votes, given that he's on the ballot in a decent amount of states, and has write-in access in most of the one's he's not.

And almost no one who is voting for Hawkins expects him to win, but that's not the point of us voting for him, which I'm sure you know (even if you disagree with).

Lol you didn’t really think I was serious did you

Do what you want. In a macro sense, Indiana is nothing more than 11 electoral votes in Trump’s pocket regardless. There are 8-10 states that actually matter this year, and that ain’t one of them.

I'm just hoping every leftist in every state, swing or not, votes for a leftist candidate and not for Biden. That'd be a victory in my eyes. Sadly, I don't think that's happening, as the Democratic Party is holing a gun to the heads of leftists and it'll get them enough votes to likely win, despite Biden being one of the shittiest candidates possible.

If people understood probabilities and how disincentivizing the electoral college is for voters, maybe you’d see that. Too many liberals in Indiana will think their vote matters to do something like that.

Liberals would be behind Biden anyway, as most are those vote-blue-no-matter-who-and-bully-every-single-Green-Party-voter pieces of shit. It's leftists I'm thinking about, those who wouldn't vote at all or vote third party, being put into a situation in which they don't think they have a choice to vote against both Trump and Biden, when clearly they do.

Either way, no matter who wins, this country will continue to have no feasible way to move forward.

Oh please. Voters can do whatever they want. You guys are not black southerners being intimidated at the polls, let’s maybe put the violins away. Pointing out the practical realities of the electoral college and how it’s designed isn’t bullying. If you are a third party voter in this country, you absolutely need to get over yourself and your own insecurities in that respect and just say “Yes, that’s true, but I’m still not voting blue”. And that’s perfectly okay. If people are too mentally weak to accept those realities and still vote their conscience, I guess they weren’t true leftists anyway.

It is bullying the way I see Biden supporters doing it, actually. Sorry my experiences with plenty of Biden supporters is no different from cyber-bullying, but there you go. No violins necessary when Biden supporters are out there calling third party voters "idiots" and "illogical" when many of us know exactly what we're doing and why. Maybe they should get over the fact that not everyone is a Democrat, and that not all people to the left would support moderate Democrats (which shouldn't be hard to understand, but I've been called a "Trump-bot" by so many Biden supporters, it blows my mind).

The practical reality is that both Democrats and Republicans support capitalism, and it's counterproductive for anti-capitalist leftists to vote for them. Period.

Jiggy, this country has a very real history of voter suppression and intimidation. It’s as ugly as you could imagine, only moreso. I’m sorry people are dicks but you being called an idiot or a bot on the internet does nothing for me. You gotta get over yourself here.

I'm more concerned with the people who think that attacking third party voters is perfectly acceptable than I am with being see as overly sensitive. Republicans who insult Libertarians/Constitution Party voters and Democrats who insult Green Party/PSL/SPUSA/misc. socialist party voters are just disgusting, and it's seen as "normal" because the media consistently spins the "stolen votes" myth. It's not personal - it's about how this system is entirely against third parties, and yet third party voters are just supposed to "accept it."

[Headhunter]

I’m not even casting judgment when I say this, just so you know. But this is just how things work when you’re a square peg in a two party round hole. The effect is largely going to be that your vote benefits the major party you have less ideological common ground with. Yes, Democrats bad, sure, got it. I’m certain the GOP’s grand designs wouldn’t make you happy. If you can compartmentalize and separate your vote from the bigger picture, or even if you can’t and you’re just okay with it, that’s all that matters.

I'm looking at the bigger picture. Voting third party is looking at the bigger picture. I am sure many disagree, or wouldn't see it that way, but as far as I am concerned, voting third party is THE ONLY WAY this county, and this world, could ever be a place that's actually worth fighting for. Voting for the lesser of two evils every four years will only continue to fuck everyone over. Over and over again.

And yet I'm somehow the bad guy.

The big picture I’m referring to is the electoral math and the specific effects of third party candidates.

Well, Gonna need a 1000+% increase in membership of one of these parties to make a dent, and even if one does, once the money necessarily rolls in to support the party’s growth, congratulations, your team has made it...into the establishment. Wall Street, health care lobbyists and the banks in your office with their hands out.

The only way this country fundamentally changes is through violent social revolution.

[Headhunter]

Didn't watch the debate because neither Biden nor Trump are worth shit.

Hawkins 2020.

2020 total votes, or like, to win?

In Indiana, Stein got about 7,400 write-in votes in 2016 (up from a mere ~700 that she got in 2012), so at least for my state, I'd like to see him get at least 3,500, though ideally more like 4,800, somewhere in that range.

Either way, I think we can all agree that Hawkins will get more than 2,020 total votes, given that he's on the ballot in a decent amount of states, and has write-in access in most of the one's he's not.

And almost no one who is voting for Hawkins expects him to win, but that's not the point of us voting for him, which I'm sure you know (even if you disagree with).

Lol you didn’t really think I was serious did you

Do what you want. In a macro sense, Indiana is nothing more than 11 electoral votes in Trump’s pocket regardless. There are 8-10 states that actually matter this year, and that ain’t one of them.

I'm just hoping every leftist in every state, swing or not, votes for a leftist candidate and not for Biden. That'd be a victory in my eyes. Sadly, I don't think that's happening, as the Democratic Party is holing a gun to the heads of leftists and it'll get them enough votes to likely win, despite Biden being one of the shittiest candidates possible.

If people understood probabilities and how disincentivizing the electoral college is for voters, maybe you’d see that. Too many liberals in Indiana will think their vote matters to do something like that.

Liberals would be behind Biden anyway, as most are those vote-blue-no-matter-who-and-bully-every-single-Green-Party-voter pieces of shit. It's leftists I'm thinking about, those who wouldn't vote at all or vote third party, being put into a situation in which they don't think they have a choice to vote against both Trump and Biden, when clearly they do.

Either way, no matter who wins, this country will continue to have no feasible way to move forward.

Oh please. Voters can do whatever they want. You guys are not black southerners being intimidated at the polls, let’s maybe put the violins away. Pointing out the practical realities of the electoral college and how it’s designed isn’t bullying. If you are a third party voter in this country, you absolutely need to get over yourself and your own insecurities in that respect and just say “Yes, that’s true, but I’m still not voting blue”. And that’s perfectly okay. If people are too mentally weak to accept those realities and still vote their conscience, I guess they weren’t true leftists anyway.

It is bullying the way I see Biden supporters doing it, actually. Sorry my experiences with plenty of Biden supporters is no different from cyber-bullying, but there you go. No violins necessary when Biden supporters are out there calling third party voters "idiots" and "illogical" when many of us know exactly what we're doing and why. Maybe they should get over the fact that not everyone is a Democrat, and that not all people to the left would support moderate Democrats (which shouldn't be hard to understand, but I've been called a "Trump-bot" by so many Biden supporters, it blows my mind).

The practical reality is that both Democrats and Republicans support capitalism, and it's counterproductive for anti-capitalist leftists to vote for them. Period.

Jiggy, this country has a very real history of voter suppression and intimidation. It’s as ugly as you could imagine, only moreso. I’m sorry people are dicks but you being called an idiot or a bot on the internet does nothing for me. You gotta get over yourself here.

I'm more concerned with the people who think that attacking third party voters is perfectly acceptable than I am with being see as overly sensitive. Republicans who insult Libertarians/Constitution Party voters and Democrats who insult Green Party/PSL/SPUSA/misc. socialist party voters are just disgusting, and it's seen as "normal" because the media consistently spins the "stolen votes" myth. It's not personal - it's about how this system is entirely against third parties, and yet third party voters are just supposed to "accept it."

Again, really shouldn’t care that people are dicks about politics. Everyone is anyway. You guys aren’t victims in any way whatsoever. It’s gonna be okay. And to be honest, a lot of leftists need to check their own toxic behavior online. Impossible to be on social media and not to see mainstream media figures and other Biden voters harassed by Bernie bros and other leftists. You want respect? Don’t act like Team MAGA, and people will be more amenable.

[Jigsaw]

Didn't watch the debate because neither Biden nor Trump are worth shit.

Hawkins 2020.

2020 total votes, or like, to win?

In Indiana, Stein got about 7,400 write-in votes in 2016 (up from a mere ~700 that she got in 2012), so at least for my state, I'd like to see him get at least 3,500, though ideally more like 4,800, somewhere in that range.

Either way, I think we can all agree that Hawkins will get more than 2,020 total votes, given that he's on the ballot in a decent amount of states, and has write-in access in most of the one's he's not.

And almost no one who is voting for Hawkins expects him to win, but that's not the point of us voting for him, which I'm sure you know (even if you disagree with).

Lol you didn’t really think I was serious did you

Do what you want. In a macro sense, Indiana is nothing more than 11 electoral votes in Trump’s pocket regardless. There are 8-10 states that actually matter this year, and that ain’t one of them.

I'm just hoping every leftist in every state, swing or not, votes for a leftist candidate and not for Biden. That'd be a victory in my eyes. Sadly, I don't think that's happening, as the Democratic Party is holing a gun to the heads of leftists and it'll get them enough votes to likely win, despite Biden being one of the shittiest candidates possible.

If people understood probabilities and how disincentivizing the electoral college is for voters, maybe you’d see that. Too many liberals in Indiana will think their vote matters to do something like that.

Liberals would be behind Biden anyway, as most are those vote-blue-no-matter-who-and-bully-every-single-Green-Party-voter pieces of shit. It's leftists I'm thinking about, those who wouldn't vote at all or vote third party, being put into a situation in which they don't think they have a choice to vote against both Trump and Biden, when clearly they do.

Either way, no matter who wins, this country will continue to have no feasible way to move forward.

Oh please. Voters can do whatever they want. You guys are not black southerners being intimidated at the polls, let’s maybe put the violins away. Pointing out the practical realities of the electoral college and how it’s designed isn’t bullying. If you are a third party voter in this country, you absolutely need to get over yourself and your own insecurities in that respect and just say “Yes, that’s true, but I’m still not voting blue”. And that’s perfectly okay. If people are too mentally weak to accept those realities and still vote their conscience, I guess they weren’t true leftists anyway.

It is bullying the way I see Biden supporters doing it, actually. Sorry my experiences with plenty of Biden supporters is no different from cyber-bullying, but there you go. No violins necessary when Biden supporters are out there calling third party voters "idiots" and "illogical" when many of us know exactly what we're doing and why. Maybe they should get over the fact that not everyone is a Democrat, and that not all people to the left would support moderate Democrats (which shouldn't be hard to understand, but I've been called a "Trump-bot" by so many Biden supporters, it blows my mind).

The practical reality is that both Democrats and Republicans support capitalism, and it's counterproductive for anti-capitalist leftists to vote for them. Period.

Jiggy, this country has a very real history of voter suppression and intimidation. It’s as ugly as you could imagine, only moreso. I’m sorry people are dicks but you being called an idiot or a bot on the internet does nothing for me. You gotta get over yourself here.

I'm more concerned with the people who think that attacking third party voters is perfectly acceptable than I am with being see as overly sensitive. Republicans who insult Libertarians/Constitution Party voters and Democrats who insult Green Party/PSL/SPUSA/misc. socialist party voters are just disgusting, and it's seen as "normal" because the media consistently spins the "stolen votes" myth. It's not personal - it's about how this system is entirely against third parties, and yet third party voters are just supposed to "accept it."

Again, really shouldn’t care that people are dicks about politics. Everyone is anyway. You guys aren’t victims in any way whatsoever. It’s gonna be okay. And to be honest, a lot of leftists need to check their own toxic behavior online. Impossible to be on social media and not to see mainstream media figures and other Biden voters harassed by Bernie bros and other leftists. You want respect? Don’t act like Team MAGA, and people will be more amenable.

Biden supporters act far more like Trump supporters than leftists do, from my experience.

[Headhunter]

Republicans kinda leave Libertarians alone. Probably because Libertarians by their nature just go about their business and don’t harass people.

[Jigsaw]

And third party voters are victims, because in plenty of states, third party alternatives are intentionally thrown off the ballot and thus, third party voters have no outlet to express their votes. Some states don't allow write-ins, and when some states do, they don't actually count those votes. So yes third party and independent voters are 100% victims of the two-party system, and until there's equal ballot access across the board, which both Republicans and Democrats fight against, we will continue to be victims.

[Headhunter]

Didn't watch the debate because neither Biden nor Trump are worth shit.

Hawkins 2020.

2020 total votes, or like, to win?

In Indiana, Stein got about 7,400 write-in votes in 2016 (up from a mere ~700 that she got in 2012), so at least for my state, I'd like to see him get at least 3,500, though ideally more like 4,800, somewhere in that range.

Either way, I think we can all agree that Hawkins will get more than 2,020 total votes, given that he's on the ballot in a decent amount of states, and has write-in access in most of the one's he's not.

And almost no one who is voting for Hawkins expects him to win, but that's not the point of us voting for him, which I'm sure you know (even if you disagree with).

Lol you didn’t really think I was serious did you

Do what you want. In a macro sense, Indiana is nothing more than 11 electoral votes in Trump’s pocket regardless. There are 8-10 states that actually matter this year, and that ain’t one of them.

I'm just hoping every leftist in every state, swing or not, votes for a leftist candidate and not for Biden. That'd be a victory in my eyes. Sadly, I don't think that's happening, as the Democratic Party is holing a gun to the heads of leftists and it'll get them enough votes to likely win, despite Biden being one of the shittiest candidates possible.

If people understood probabilities and how disincentivizing the electoral college is for voters, maybe you’d see that. Too many liberals in Indiana will think their vote matters to do something like that.

Liberals would be behind Biden anyway, as most are those vote-blue-no-matter-who-and-bully-every-single-Green-Party-voter pieces of shit. It's leftists I'm thinking about, those who wouldn't vote at all or vote third party, being put into a situation in which they don't think they have a choice to vote against both Trump and Biden, when clearly they do.

Either way, no matter who wins, this country will continue to have no feasible way to move forward.

Oh please. Voters can do whatever they want. You guys are not black southerners being intimidated at the polls, let’s maybe put the violins away. Pointing out the practical realities of the electoral college and how it’s designed isn’t bullying. If you are a third party voter in this country, you absolutely need to get over yourself and your own insecurities in that respect and just say “Yes, that’s true, but I’m still not voting blue”. And that’s perfectly okay. If people are too mentally weak to accept those realities and still vote their conscience, I guess they weren’t true leftists anyway.

It is bullying the way I see Biden supporters doing it, actually. Sorry my experiences with plenty of Biden supporters is no different from cyber-bullying, but there you go. No violins necessary when Biden supporters are out there calling third party voters "idiots" and "illogical" when many of us know exactly what we're doing and why. Maybe they should get over the fact that not everyone is a Democrat, and that not all people to the left would support moderate Democrats (which shouldn't be hard to understand, but I've been called a "Trump-bot" by so many Biden supporters, it blows my mind).

The practical reality is that both Democrats and Republicans support capitalism, and it's counterproductive for anti-capitalist leftists to vote for them. Period.

Jiggy, this country has a very real history of voter suppression and intimidation. It’s as ugly as you could imagine, only moreso. I’m sorry people are dicks but you being called an idiot or a bot on the internet does nothing for me. You gotta get over yourself here.

I'm more concerned with the people who think that attacking third party voters is perfectly acceptable than I am with being see as overly sensitive. Republicans who insult Libertarians/Constitution Party voters and Democrats who insult Green Party/PSL/SPUSA/misc. socialist party voters are just disgusting, and it's seen as "normal" because the media consistently spins the "stolen votes" myth. It's not personal - it's about how this system is entirely against third parties, and yet third party voters are just supposed to "accept it."

Again, really shouldn’t care that people are dicks about politics. Everyone is anyway. You guys aren’t victims in any way whatsoever. It’s gonna be okay. And to be honest, a lot of leftists need to check their own toxic behavior online. Impossible to be on social media and not to see mainstream media figures and other Biden voters harassed by Bernie bros and other leftists. You want respect? Don’t act like Team MAGA, and people will be more amenable.

Biden supporters act far more like Trump supporters than leftists do, from my experience.

I’m sure your individual experiences inform your perspective here. I have no dog in this fight ideologically but from what I’ve seen, online leftists especially on Twitter conduct themselves in an absolutely disgusting manner and frequently harass their “political opponents”. And I never see that from die hard Biden people, who I make fun of for even existing because lol Biden.

[Headhunter]

And third party voters are victims, because in plenty of states, third party alternatives are intentionally thrown off the ballot and thus, third party voters have no outlet to express their votes. Some states don't allow write-ins, and when some states do, they don't actually count those votes. So yes third party and independent voters are 100% victims of the two-party system, and until there's equal ballot access across the board, which both Republicans and Democrats fight against, we will continue to be victims.

“We shall overcome...”

[Headhunter]

Let’s be real though. Acting like there’s any high ground in the way people interact politically is dumb. I enjoy targeting MAGA idiots. In turn MAGA idiots enjoy targeting...damn near everyone. Leftists enjoy targeting establishment liberals. According to Jiggy, he gets the same back from those people. And everyone likes to make fun of Libertarians, who don’t have a big social presence to attract shit but get the drive by treatment anyway.

[Lunachic]

The last debate Agolf Twittler will ever have .. matter of fact the only election he will win after he loses is Best New Date on cell block G
Incredible amount of lies A red wave of lies
Emissions down? Lie Matter of fact if we don't reverse The Super Spreaders dismantling of Obamas climate initiatives were looking at more than 1.8 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases by the year 2035... this exceeds the annual energy emissions of Germany The United Kingdom and Canada combined.
28 million to our farmers which China paid for...Lie and he has never understood how tariffs work
The cost of tariffs go from Importers-Manufacturers - Distributors -Retailers - Consumers... in that order
China isn't bailing out farmers ... we are
Hunter Biden ~ Rudy the tugger tried to sell this emails and pictures a year ago.. no laptop involved
Joe Biden who was not my first choice or second but orange mussolini will destroys us all. he did not get one single penny of any money.. check his tax returns he unlike the criminal in charge released 22 years of the
also the Hunter Biden story can not be verified because it is lies
healthcare.. does not have a plan never had a plan but did just declare since Poland banned abortion America is next
least racist person in room - sued for discriminating against blacks and for running slums .. called for the Central Park 5 to be executed even after they were found innocent
in 2013 commented that mostly blacks and hispanics commit the crimes in every city .. The Birther call .. said he has people in Hawaii that can prove Obama was not born in USA but alas another lie ... past 4 years we've lived them and You have seen it with own eyes he is a racist POS refusing to denounce white supremacy
The Virus ~ everything he said was a lie ... if he would simply say look I just has this virus it was bad and I don't want you to get it so please wear a mask would save ;ives because of him over 135 thousand people or more have died simply because he policized masks.. and there is NO CURE
so may lies so so many...

[Lunachic]

as of today US is at 100% of total 2016 votes. and trust me most are not for the orange dumpster
He and his administration are suing states left and right to suppress votes

Texas just sued Netflix over the movie Cuties which is comical ridiculous and a waste of tax payers dollars

[showa58taro]

The early voting numbers are really impressive. It’s a high voter engagement and turnout. Hopefully no shenanigans happen with ballots or voter intimidation.

[Headhunter]

The early voting numbers are really impressive. It’s a high voter engagement and turnout. Hopefully no shenanigans happen with ballots or voter intimidation.

The shenanigans are already built in, in states like Texas, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina. It might not matter because America largely wants Trump out and nothing else here really matters.

[showa58taro]

Best outcome would be that the US votes for democrats across the board who then fix the election systems and various rigged states to then allow more free and fair elections going forward. With luck that would force the opposition to recalibrate to appeal more broadly and institute more sensible moderate politics. Wouldn’t that be nice. If a few of these close senate races go democratic and they hold all three branches that would be excellent. Republicans can’t keep governing from the margins of fear with no actual ideology but power for powers sake.

[Jason]

Trump with the assist in a cease-fire between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Legend.

[Lunachic]

Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
During a January 2019 Cabinet meeting, Trump defended the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. He said the Soviet Union "was right" to invade in 1979 because "terrorists were going into Russia." The comments puzzled many observers, who noted that the Soviets had invaded to bolster a communist government and the US had backed Afghan militants who fought the Soviets.

Trump's Syria withdrawal gave Putin a boost
Trump announced in October 2019 that US troops were withdrawing from northern Syria. The abrupt move cleared the way for Turkey to conquer territories previously controlled by the US and allied Kurdish militias. It also gave Russia a golden opportunity to expand its influence and swiftly take over abandoned US outposts and checkpoints. Trump's move was a boon for Putin.


Trump repeated Kremlin talking points on ISIS
After announcing the Syria withdrawal, Trump repeated Kremlin talking points about ISIS. He said, "Russia hates ISIS as much as the United States does" and that they are equal partners in the fight. But Trump's comments don't reflect the reality on the ground: Since intervening in Syria in 2015, the Russian military has focused its airstrikes on anti-government rebels, not ISIS.

Trump spread Russian myths about Ukraine
During his impeachment proceedings in 2019 and early 2020, Trump said many false things about Ukraine that align with Russian disinformation about the country. This includes claims of uncontrollable corruption, improper ties between Ukrainian officials and the Obama administration, and allegations that Ukraine meddled in US elections. This helps Putin's goal of destabilizing US-Ukraine relations.

Trump invited Russia to 2020 G7 summit
Trump announced in May 2020 that he was postponing the US-based G7 summit because of the coronavirus and that he also wanted to extend invitations to Russia and three other countries to participate. Other G7 leaders swiftly rejected Trump's idea to invite Putin, because Russia still hasn't withdrawn from Crimea and has continued its aggressive actions around the world.

Trump directed CIA to share intel with Russia
Trump directed the Central Intelligence Agency to share more counterterrorism intelligence with Russia, according to the national security website Just Security, which cited two former CIA officials who had served under Trump. The officials said the US received nothing in return, which is consistent with past intelligence-sharing with Russia.

Trump ordered US troops out of Germany
In June 2020, Trump approved plans to significantly reduce the number of US troops in Germany. The plan to remove about one-third of the force drew serious concerns from the Pentagon because it could compromise Europe-based defenses against Russia. In a letter to Trump, nearly two dozen Republican lawmakers said his decision would "strengthen the position of Russia to our detriment."

By spreading Russian misinformation Trump has caused one of the most contentious dangerous voting period in our life time
He will do his best to burn down America on his way out and if anyone thinks he will not sell or share Secret Intelligence to the highest bidder has not been paying attention
His crimes against humanity are not being ignored
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/politics ... index.html

[showa58taro]

There are times when really they just need to start over. Think the American project may be at one such a crossroads now.

[Jason]

Cuties is creepy as fuck.

[Jason]

There are times when really they just need to start over. Think the American project may be at one such a crossroads now.

We started over in 2016.