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Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:13 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm
He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

how does presidential immunity fit into his plans for smaller government and more freedom to citizens?

Where does he suggest he thinks presidents should be immune to something?

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:13 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm
He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

how does presidential immunity fit into his plans for smaller government and more freedom to citizens?

Where does he suggest he thinks presidents should be immune to something?

it isn't something he said. it's something that the supreme court put into place, at request of his lawyers reportedly.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:52 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:13 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm
He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

how does presidential immunity fit into his plans for smaller government and more freedom to citizens?

Where does he suggest he thinks presidents should be immune to something?

it isn't something he said. it's something that the supreme court put into place, at request of his lawyers reportedly.

I missed that completely. Do you have a link?

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:03 am

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

because his action and the company he keeps do not reflect what jason purports his intent to be.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:19 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:52 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:13 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm
He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

how does presidential immunity fit into his plans for smaller government and more freedom to citizens?

Where does he suggest he thinks presidents should be immune to something?

it isn't something he said. it's something that the supreme court put into place, at request of his lawyers reportedly.

I missed that completely. Do you have a link?

i have a link. it is someone opposed to the decision but yeah. you could google it yourself if you want more info.

https://lofgren.house.gov/media/press-r ... y-decision

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:03 am

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

because his action and the company he keeps do not reflect what jason purports his intent to be.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:35 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:03 am

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

because his action and the company he keeps do not reflect what jason purports his intent to be.

I see just the opposite. He had two solid years of reform going before the dems took control in 2018 and basically obstructed everything he tried to do.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:36 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

He seems like a good chap. Why does zombs despise reformers?

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:53 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:36 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

He seems like a good chap. Why does zombs despise reformers?

reform is like moving backwards. taking things away. like abortion was reformed. i only want to move forward.

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:53 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:36 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

He seems like a good chap. Why does zombs despise reformers?

reform is like moving backwards. taking things away. like abortion was reformed. i only want to move forward.

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:29 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:53 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:36 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:34 am

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2024 3:56 pm He's a reformer, so in the simplest terms, limit big government and allow more freedom to citizens. Stop catering to illegal immigrants when we have our own citizens unable to get the things that illegals are able to get, stop sending money to foreign countries to prop up wars, become self sufficient in oil, etc...

That actually sounds pretty reasonable. Why does everyone here paint him as the devil, why?!

About ten years ago, the entire country was united in what they wanted in a candidate. No warmongers, someone who can't be bought by the establishment, a guy who will run against the corrupt elites in Washington. If you were to plug into a computer what the ideal candidate is that the public wanted, it would have shot out Donald Trump. The problem is that he ran with an R after his name. Everybody loved the guy. The people calling him Hitler, racist devil, holding up his severed head, and comparing his first election in 2016 to match the tragedy of 9-11 are the same people who loved him in the 80s and 90s. The billionaires he once got along so well with are funding corporate media to spout blatant lies and rhetoric in an attempt to smear him. People are waking up to it, though. But the smear campaign will never go away and he will always have the closed-minded detractors who will always find a reason not to like him no matter what happens. "But he fires people! Do we really want his finger on the nuclear button?!" Turned out he was the biggest proponent for peace in our entire lifetime.

I initially thought it was a joke when he ran, but when the media completely went ape shit on him in a way I had never seen them before, it made me really pay attention to him and come to the conclusion that he truly is fighting against the corruption. He's reforming the Republican party as we speak and maybe some time in the future the party as a whole can actually be respectable.

He seems like a good chap. Why does zombs despise reformers?

reform is like moving backwards. taking things away. like abortion was reformed. i only want to move forward.

This is the danger of media narrative. Abortion was not reformed. It was simply removed from federal mandate and down to individual states. So instead of the federal government deciding the law for you, each state will be allowed to make their own decision. They paint the narrative that it's taking away women's rights. Not only is it far more complicated than that, but they will never show you the statistics that women are close to 50-50 on it. It's far more complicated than "women's rights are taken away" or "you're killing a baby". Each side loves to play at the far end of the spectrum to create as much division as possible. The right decision is to put the decision in the hands of voters in each state, not federal government. From there, it's up to the general public to use their best judgment.

If I am a single man in a state where they'll allow abortion for any reason at any time, I have to use my best judgment on the type of woman I want to start a family with. Is she going to override my thoughts on the subject? If she is going to get an abortion without consulting with me, then she is not the right person for me. Thankfully I didn't marry a selfish crazy cat lady.