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honestly that's been the case since at least as long as i've been of voting age. but it's true when it's about democrats.Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:25 pmAll the crazy, world-ending propaganda tends to occur a few months before every election. What an unbelievable coincidence!
Some wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
Trump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
what percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
there is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him? is he also not pal-ing around with his own group of corrupt politicians?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
Correct. The vast majority of us are on the same page. The politicians make it an extremist issue where you're either a murderer or a sexist.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:09 pmwhat percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
absolutely it should not be done on a whim. abortion is a serious decision and should be treated as such. but the choice should still be there to have it done.
and if you are opposed to it, then you should work toward making adoption more easily available as an option and the foster system much less of a hellhole to the children that end up in that system.
I kinda believe they are, yeah.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:11 pmthere is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
we're not on the same page, are we? are you pro-choice? if so, why jump to respond to my initial post at all, except maybe to say that it wasn't a total reform at this point?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmCorrect. The vast majority of us are on the same page. The politicians make it an extremist issue where you're either a murderer or a sexist.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:09 pmwhat percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
absolutely it should not be done on a whim. abortion is a serious decision and should be treated as such. but the choice should still be there to have it done.
and if you are opposed to it, then you should work toward making adoption more easily available as an option and the foster system much less of a hellhole to the children that end up in that system.
Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmI kinda believe they are, yeah.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:11 pmthere is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
Jason wants to dip his wick in the valley of sin, and when he becomes ungodly, he'll sing the planned parenthood marching song until that baby is cast out on a river of blood and taken straight to the heart of the lord.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:22 pmwe're not on the same page, are we? are you pro-choice? if so, why jump to respond to my initial post at all, except maybe to say that it wasn't a total reform at this point?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmCorrect. The vast majority of us are on the same page. The politicians make it an extremist issue where you're either a murderer or a sexist.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:09 pmwhat percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
absolutely it should not be done on a whim. abortion is a serious decision and should be treated as such. but the choice should still be there to have it done.
and if you are opposed to it, then you should work toward making adoption more easily available as an option and the foster system much less of a hellhole to the children that end up in that system.
well that's quite the word picture.Reign in Blood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:36 pmJason wants to dip his wick in the valley of sin, and when he becomes ungodly, he'll sing the planned parenthood marching song until that baby is cast out on a river of blood and taken straight to the heart of the lord.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:22 pmwe're not on the same page, are we? are you pro-choice? if so, why jump to respond to my initial post at all, except maybe to say that it wasn't a total reform at this point?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmCorrect. The vast majority of us are on the same page. The politicians make it an extremist issue where you're either a murderer or a sexist.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:09 pmwhat percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
absolutely it should not be done on a whim. abortion is a serious decision and should be treated as such. but the choice should still be there to have it done.
and if you are opposed to it, then you should work toward making adoption more easily available as an option and the foster system much less of a hellhole to the children that end up in that system.
I am pro-responsibilityzombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:22 pmwe're not on the same page, are we? are you pro-choice? if so, why jump to respond to my initial post at all, except maybe to say that it wasn't a total reform at this point?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmCorrect. The vast majority of us are on the same page. The politicians make it an extremist issue where you're either a murderer or a sexist.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:09 pmwhat percentage of abortions are done in the third trimester? what percentage of those that are are not medically necessary?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:58 pmSome wackos think abortion should be allowed even right at birth. I am basically on the side of personal responsibility. If I were a woman, I would ensure that if I didn't want a child I would either not engage in sex or insist on contraception. I am a man, so my responsibility is to ensure that I involve myself with a woman who is on the same page when it comes to children. If I didn't want a child, I would not engage in sex. It is also a two way decision, no matter how either side wants to play it.
absolutely it should not be done on a whim. abortion is a serious decision and should be treated as such. but the choice should still be there to have it done.
and if you are opposed to it, then you should work toward making adoption more easily available as an option and the foster system much less of a hellhole to the children that end up in that system.
The narrative changes with him, especially when the narrative is something that is completely false.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:23 pmJason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmI kinda believe they are, yeah.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:11 pmthere is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
so what makes that so different than saying trump and his ilk are out to destroy america?
the narrative changes as in different reasons are given for how he's destroying america? you can't accuse him of flooding the country with immigrants or the trans agenda or woke mind virus etc... so yeah the narrative is different.Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:53 pmThe narrative changes with him, especially when the narrative is something that is completely false.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:23 pmJason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmI kinda believe they are, yeah.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:11 pmthere is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
so what makes that so different than saying trump and his ilk are out to destroy america?
is it fair to say that people he associates with could be out to destroy america, if not him personally?What I was referring to as false was Trump being racist, unhinged, gonna push the red button, literally Hitler, etc...zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:02 pmthe narrative changes as in different reasons are given for how he's destroying america? you can't accuse him of flooding the country with immigrants or the trans agenda or woke mind virus etc... so yeah the narrative is different.Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:53 pmThe narrative changes with him, especially when the narrative is something that is completely false.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:23 pmJason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pmI kinda believe they are, yeah.zombie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:11 pmthere is corruption. are they evil and destroying america if you don't elect him?Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:01 pmTrump lies. It's a part of politics because of the two party system. For example, I don't believe Trump is a true Christian. I think he believes in God probably, but he is likely not as religious as he makes himself out to be.
What Trump is honest about is the corruption in Washington. Which is really what's most important.
so what makes that so different than saying trump and his ilk are out to destroy america?
it's completely false? what happened to objectivity and not being stalwart certain in your position?
"Getting rid of" is extreme. There are also couples who dreamed of having children and sometimes the guy is infertile or the woman is incapable of bearing children.