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Jigsaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:35 pm Socialism is the answer. Capitalism just divides us and kills us off, along with the whole of the planet. Destroy capitalism, save the world.

Claudia De la Cruz 2024.

we can do socialicapitalism!

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:09 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:35 pm Socialism is the answer. Capitalism just divides us and kills us off, along with the whole of the planet. Destroy capitalism, save the world.

Claudia De la Cruz 2024.

we can do socialicapitalism!

I don't want that atrocious system anywhere near my socialism brahs.

All systems are good in theory, no systems are good in practice. There's always gonna be some fucker that only cares about power to ruin everything. And while socialism sounds great, drastic change is never good. As Bob would say, "baby steps".

Incrementalism doesn't work, though, especially if you try to do it through the Democratic Party.

Leftists (read: anti-capitalists) have a saying: The Democratic Party is where progressive ideas go to die.

It may be all for naught anyway - we're probably too far gone to ever get the system we need. Can't do anything but keep fighting for my beliefs, though, and trying to vote us out of this dangerous two-party system the GOP and Democrats continually cling to.

I'm in favor of a hybrid economy because not everything needs to be a for profit enterprise (i.e. higher education and healthcare) but at the same time luxury goods and services (as another example) are and should be for profit. We sure as hell need to get away from big oil and big pharma!

Jiggy, I am all for abolishing the stupid GOP and Democratic parties. The problem is whatever takes their place could be a lot worse. As Slaughter said there is always going to be some asshole or group that wants absolute power. Look what happened when Rome transformed from the Republic to the Empire. Didn't end well for them.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:42 pm As for the Democrats they too are going crazy, especially with the Sanders wing that gave rise to AOC and those others. Neither side is offering any real solutions to the problems we're facing right now and that is a whole other discussion.

let's have that discussion. what are the problems, most in need of solving, that we're facing right now?

That's why we need Trump! Reform the party and get good honest people in the government!

Lazerus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:55 pm Jiggy, I am all for abolishing the stupid GOP and Democratic parties. The problem is whatever takes their place could be a lot worse. As Slaughter said there is always going to be some asshole or group that wants absolute power. Look what happened when Rome transformed from the Republic to the Empire. Didn't end well for them.

Sure, they could be, but until we actually see what they are, there's no need to perpetuate this system by continually voting for it. I 100% the two party system is the biggest danger to the future of not just this country, but the world. As long as people keep buying into the idiotic notion of "the lesser of two evils" or "harm reduction" (both of which are bs ideas) then we will never reach anything resembling progress.

I don't vote either Democratic or Republican, so I don't know what's worse than not having any possible representation from supposed representatives.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:01 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:55 pm Jiggy, I am all for abolishing the stupid GOP and Democratic parties. The problem is whatever takes their place could be a lot worse. As Slaughter said there is always going to be some asshole or group that wants absolute power. Look what happened when Rome transformed from the Republic to the Empire. Didn't end well for them.

Sure, they could be, but until we actually see what they are, there's no need to perpetuate this system by continually voting for it. I 100% the two party system is the biggest danger to the future of not just this country, but the world. As long as people keep buying into the idiotic notion of "the lesser of two evils" or "harm reduction" (both of which are bs ideas) then we will never reach anything resembling progress.

I don't vote either Democratic or Republican, so I don't know what's worse than not having any possible representation from supposed representatives.

And there is the underlining problem. Too many people on this planet are dumbed down and won't listen to people like you or me even if we put the smoking gun evidence right in the faces.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:17 pm

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:01 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 2:55 pm Jiggy, I am all for abolishing the stupid GOP and Democratic parties. The problem is whatever takes their place could be a lot worse. As Slaughter said there is always going to be some asshole or group that wants absolute power. Look what happened when Rome transformed from the Republic to the Empire. Didn't end well for them.

Sure, they could be, but until we actually see what they are, there's no need to perpetuate this system by continually voting for it. I 100% the two party system is the biggest danger to the future of not just this country, but the world. As long as people keep buying into the idiotic notion of "the lesser of two evils" or "harm reduction" (both of which are bs ideas) then we will never reach anything resembling progress.

I don't vote either Democratic or Republican, so I don't know what's worse than not having any possible representation from supposed representatives.

And there is the underlining problem. Too many people on this planet are dumbed down and won't listen to people like you or me even if we put the smoking gun evidence right in the faces.

I don't disagree, which is why I generally believe it's too late.

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:24 am nothing except for the title points to trump specifically, though absolutely it could mean him. nothing points to the pakistani national working on behalf of any government, though possibly pakistan or iran. "uniparty" is just desperate fear mongering.

I missed this.

My read on this is that they're blaming another country so the government stays under the radar. I suspect the government of at least knowing, not necessarily orchestrating, the assassination attempt. The supposedly best protective security service in the world couldn’t stop a rank amateur who did everything imaginable to attract attention to himself. I just have a hard time believing they are that incompetent.

But again, I really want to go into everything without bias to get the truth. It's easy to fall into the trap of wanting to be right and sticking to your guns refusing to be wrong instead of admitting at the end of the day you don't truly know the answer and are just seeking truth. I just can't really see any other alternative in using my best judgment.

do you have evidence that you didn't share that would actually indicate who the politician he intended to target actually was?

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:28 pm do you have evidence that you didn't share that would actually indicate who the politician he intended to target actually was?

That's the only thing I saw, so I don't even know if any of it is actually true, but that's what they're trying to say which seems to me like they're just trying to make you look away from the government. Kennedy in I think 1962(?) vetoed a secret bill proposed by the CIA to orchestrate terror attacks within the United States and blame it on the Cubans in order to escalate war. There are plenty more bills, but if there was ever one bill that slaps you right in the face and tells you the government should never be trusted, that's it.

okay. i guess we'll never know for sure. if it's real, i'm glad they got the guy based on what you linked.

It's Operation Northwoods, and it was 1962.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

okay the thing that stexenhammer or whoever posted that you linked was something more recent, right? i think we're talking past each other.

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:47 pm okay the thing that stexenhammer or whoever posted that you linked was something more recent, right? i think we're talking past each other.

Oh, yeah. I'm just using Operation Northwoods as a reference to why I don't even trust what they're saying about the Iranian guy orchestrating something. If the government literally proposes a bill to commit random terrorism on their own citizens and blame other countries in order to go to war, then you can't trust them at all. And here they are trying to blame another countryman for something and leaving out details.

Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:50 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:47 pm okay the thing that stexenhammer or whoever posted that you linked was something more recent, right? i think we're talking past each other.

Oh, yeah. I'm just using Operation Northwoods as a reference to why I don't even trust what they're saying about the Iranian guy orchestrating something. If the government literally proposes a bill to commit random terrorism on their own citizens and blame other countries in order to go to war, then you can't trust them at all. And here they are trying to blame another countryman for something and leaving out details.

okay. yeah. i've heard similar stories about how we got involved in ww2 as well. i don't know if there is any truth to it. but i wouldn't doubt it if you showed me actual proof.

still doesn't point to trump, nor a uniparty as were claimed in that post.

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:54 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:50 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:47 pm okay the thing that stexenhammer or whoever posted that you linked was something more recent, right? i think we're talking past each other.

Oh, yeah. I'm just using Operation Northwoods as a reference to why I don't even trust what they're saying about the Iranian guy orchestrating something. If the government literally proposes a bill to commit random terrorism on their own citizens and blame other countries in order to go to war, then you can't trust them at all. And here they are trying to blame another countryman for something and leaving out details.

okay. yeah. i've heard similar stories about how we got involved in ww2 as well. i don't know if there is any truth to it. but i wouldn't doubt it if you showed me actual proof.

still doesn't point to trump, nor a uniparty as were claimed in that post.

I'm just trying to figure it out logically since there will always be a gray area when they release information to the public. And the gray area is definitely intentional. It's why I mentioned earlier in this thread that if the government was indeed responsible for allowing for Trump to be shot at, and the plan failed, they might try again somehow or stage something horrific to make the public forget about that. Like an attack on a black church or something, put a MAGA hat on the dead perp and put the world in a political frenzy as yet another distraction.

This is why I hate politics. Operation Northwoods is a public document. Who the absolute fuck even knows how evil and sinister the stuff they're hiding could be. You recognize a pattern and start applying possible scenarios in your head and it just gets depressing.