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That simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
that post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:45 pmThat simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
The dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money from pills and surgeries.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:50 pmthat post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:45 pmThat simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
show your 41% source.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:02 pmThe dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:50 pmthat post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:45 pmThat simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
if you want to bring down the monetary gain for big pharma, follow my lead!zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:41 pm and to be completely honest, i wouldn't mind if hormones and surgery weren't seen as a necessary part of the process for many people who experience dysphoria. but that would also take a move away from hatred and shunning of those that choose to dress or do themselves up in a way that matches more to how they feel.
Oh, I'm not arguing that the lack of acceptance within friends and family wouldn't have any negative change, I'm simply stating that the root cause of all the issues is the dysphoria itself. Many of these people were also touched sexually by perverts at a very young age which led to the dysphoria, as well. We're looking too closely at solutions that only mask the problem and don't tackle the root cause. The solution is tackling the root cause, which is mental health evaluations, and also a willingness from those suffering to accept that what they are suffering from isn't normal. But the fact that this isn't normal doesn't mean that they should not be treated with love as any other human should.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:09 pmshow your 41% source.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:02 pmThe dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:50 pmthat post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:45 pmThat simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
big pharma does make money from prescribing of puberty blockers and surgery. etc. that's fair. but they didn't create gender dysphoria nor the need in those that experience it to transition.
there is a massive focus on trans and gay people. that tends to bring more of them to attention of the public. the hate that comes with the more focus also causes a massive rise in mental health issues among gay and transgender or dyphoric individuals.
This has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.
there is not a substantial portion of the population that believes that gender dysphoria is normal. just that it happens. i don't know what triggers it, certainly not in every case. but it happens. the best way to treat dysphoria seems at this moment to be gender transition.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:28 pmOh, I'm not arguing that the lack of acceptance within friends and family wouldn't have any negative change, I'm simply stating that the root cause of all the issues is the dysphoria itself. Many of these people were also touched sexually by perverts at a very young age which led to the dysphoria, as well. We're looking too closely at solutions that only mask the problem and don't tackle the root cause. The solution is tackling the root cause, which is mental health evaluations, and also a willingness from those suffering to accept that what they are suffering from isn't normal. But the fact that this isn't normal doesn't mean that they should not be treated with love as any other human should.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:09 pmshow your 41% source.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:02 pmThe dysphoria itself shows a 41% overall suicidal ideation rate and remains unchanged even after surgery. The post itself shows "an increased risk of depression and suicidality", not the root cause. The root cause is the dysphoria, without question. As far as monetary gain, all signs point to big pharma and the small group of people behind the curtains running the show that have the most to gain from this. There is a massive rise in gay and trans people which in turn creates a massive rise of mental health issues and opens the door for big pharma to receive money for pills and surgeries.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:50 pmthat post is blaming the use of puberty blockers for ideation, not the dysphoria itself. it doesn't match what you're saying. and i think that document linked is both out of context and presented by someone with both political and monetary gain in the hatred and removal of trans people.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 6:45 pmThat simply isn't true. The dysphoria itself is the root cause of all the depression and suicidal ideation. The media has successfully created a narrative within a small portion of society that convinces them that anyone, friend or family, that feels a person suffering with this dysphoria should seek a mental health evaluation rather than continue on the path of drugs and/or surgery are not accepting and hateful of those who are suffering.
big pharma does make money from prescribing of puberty blockers and surgery. etc. that's fair. but they didn't create gender dysphoria nor the need in those that experience it to transition.
there is a massive focus on trans and gay people. that tends to bring more of them to attention of the public. the hate that comes with the more focus also causes a massive rise in mental health issues among gay and transgender or dyphoric individuals.
you can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:34 pmThis has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.
I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.
I don't know the exact number, but a substantial amount of cases of people with gender dysphoria originated from being touched sexually at a young age. I've also seen a study that says a large portion of children or teens with gender dysphoria who do not pursuit surgery and puberty blockers generally become gay men. Gay men also seem to correlate with a substantial amount being touched sexually as children.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:25 pmyou can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:34 pmThis has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.
I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.
i don't know what to do with "being touched"" is the root cause. how do you address that after it's happened, if that really is most of the cause? it seems just another way to look down on or shun the demographic.Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:03 pmI don't know the exact number, but a substantial amount of cases of people with gender dysphoria originated from being touched sexually at a young age. I've also seen a study that says a large portion of children or teens with gender dysphoria who do not pursuit surgery and puberty blockers generally become gay men. Gay men also seem to correlate with a substantial amount being touched sexually as children.zombie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:25 pmyou can't force it to not exist by bullying and accusation and shunning either. what is the root cause in your estimation?Jason wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 7:34 pmThis has nothing to do with me at all. I'm simply stating my opinion in that I don't think women should be subjected to facing men, trans men, or the rare case of a man born with female genitalia in physical competition. Has nothing to do with me. I'm over here watching The Bob Newhart Show.
I'm basing my opinion on what I think is best for people, and I think accepting and affirming someone's mental illness without attacking the root cause is a recipe for disaster and only makes things worse for that person. You can't just mask gender dysphoria with pills and surgery.
I think the rise in "acceptance" (and I use that term loosely) has seemed to clearly cause a lot more cases. I've seen social media of parents with 2-4 year old children filming the child saying "i think I'm a girl" and acting as though they're going to forever raise the child as the opposite gender. This never happened before the media planted a narrative in their heads. I read somewhere that the overall population of gen z is near 20% gay or transgender while one or two generations prior have around 0-2% on average. Do you think the rise of gay and trans people just happened naturally? I don't. I think the media and perverts get into the heads of young people very early when they're still learning and cinfused and basically trap them in that state.