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Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:02 am
by Headhunter
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:45 pm Kamala already snapping at people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAsfdyNeRWg
Yeah it’s too bad Democrats suck on this issue just like Republicans. From an electoral standpoint it probably won’t matter though. Enough lefties are just happy to wipe their hands clean of Biden and Kamala’s biggest gains in recent polls have come from moderates and independents. Lot of people are just tired of Trump being in their lives. The shtick has gotten old, the rambling less coherent, the nicknames less funny, the energy less palpable. It’s feeling like a bad sequel and I’m not even sure he really wants to keep doing this. And now he has reason to be afraid of the one thing he liked doing, rallies.

Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:23 am
by Jason
Headhunter wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:53 pm
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:02 am What I've seen doesn't reflect that. he's fairly split in favorable and unfavorable and in the overall, the overwhelming majority (71%) don't know who he is. He allowed Minnesota to burn, which is a big no-no. You can't trust this dude to protect the country.
No he didn’t. This is another bad right wing talking point that isn’t working. He sent in the National Guard when the mayors requested help. Even your guy Trump was praising him in 2020 for how he handled the protests. It is very funny that Trump is now changing his stance on this in hindsight, but the public record shows he could not have praised Walz more when the situation was actually playing out. In which case, I guess we can’t trust Trump to protect the country.
I'm definitely seeing an opposite result here.

Firstly, to offer a "good job" for finally calling in the national guard during a time of extreme unrest is the only way to go about it. Oftentimes you have to ingratiate a politician by applauding them when they do something right, and the hope is that then they'll get the notion that they should do more right things (Glenn Youngkin, for example, just issued a mandate of defortification for the state of Virginia and he deserves a pat on the back). But a rudimentary search of the timeline and exact quotes will show that the actual talking point that isn't working/makes no sense is coming from the leftist media.

CNN basically said everything you stated here in an article I just read. But looking at the timeline, the Floyd riots began on May 26th. A call was made by Jacob Frey (Minneapolis mayor) to Tim Walz on May 27th calling for the National Guard. "We expressed the seriousness of the situation. The urgency was clear. He did not say yes, he said he would consider it." Texts from the mayor's spokesperson to city employees backs up the story. At around the same time of Frey's call to Walz, the spokesperson sent messages to the employees saying "Frey came out and said the chief wants him to call in the national guard for help at Third Precinct. Mayor appears intent on doing." Next text. "He called the governor just now. Walz was hesitating". Finally late at night on May 28th he sent 100 guardsmen despite the mayor requesting "at least 600."

So for a full two days, the city of Minneapolis was burning to the ground and Walz stood down. Only under pressure from the mayor did he finally send a small fraction of what was requested. Then the next day in a press conference on May 29th, Walz said it was Frey who delayed the response and blamed him for letting the situation spiral out of control when there is complete evidence to the contrary backed up by text messages and phone call records.

Now getting to the Trump quote, he said “I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days". Which was said by Trump on June 1st. So instead of accusing Walz of being the moron that he is in his initial response, he commended him on actually finally doing his job. If Trump had shit on him in that moment the media would have told everyone that Trump was upset that he sent the National Guard.

The dishonest media in full force.

Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:27 am
by Jason
Headhunter wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:02 am
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:45 pm Kamala already snapping at people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAsfdyNeRWg
Yeah it’s too bad Democrats suck on this issue just like Republicans. From an electoral standpoint it probably won’t matter though. Enough lefties are just happy to wipe their hands clean of Biden and Kamala’s biggest gains in recent polls have come from moderates and independents. Lot of people are just tired of Trump being in their lives. The shtick has gotten old, the rambling less coherent, the nicknames less funny, the energy less palpable. It’s feeling like a bad sequel and I’m not even sure he really wants to keep doing this. And now he has reason to be afraid of the one thing he liked doing, rallies.
It's hard to trust any poll. To weed out the ones that oversample their own brand, oversample in states that are heavy red or blue, and then pull an aggregate from the ones that are historically more accurate, etc... But to insinuate Trump is afraid of going to rallies is kind of silly since he is not only continuing to do rallies but also stated he's going back to the same place where a whackjob shot him in the head.

Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:14 pm
by Reign in Blood
Jason wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:23 am
Headhunter wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:53 pm
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:02 am What I've seen doesn't reflect that. he's fairly split in favorable and unfavorable and in the overall, the overwhelming majority (71%) don't know who he is. He allowed Minnesota to burn, which is a big no-no. You can't trust this dude to protect the country.
No he didn’t. This is another bad right wing talking point that isn’t working. He sent in the National Guard when the mayors requested help. Even your guy Trump was praising him in 2020 for how he handled the protests. It is very funny that Trump is now changing his stance on this in hindsight, but the public record shows he could not have praised Walz more when the situation was actually playing out. In which case, I guess we can’t trust Trump to protect the country.
I'm definitely seeing an opposite result here.

Firstly, to offer a "good job" for finally calling in the national guard during a time of extreme unrest is the only way to go about it. Oftentimes you have to ingratiate a politician by applauding them when they do something right, and the hope is that then they'll get the notion that they should do more right things (Glenn Youngkin, for example, just issued a mandate of defortification for the state of Virginia and he deserves a pat on the back). But a rudimentary search of the timeline and exact quotes will show that the actual talking point that isn't working/makes no sense is coming from the leftist media.

CNN basically said everything you stated here in an article I just read. But looking at the timeline, the Floyd riots began on May 26th. A call was made by Jacob Frey (Minneapolis mayor) to Tim Walz on May 27th calling for the National Guard. "We expressed the seriousness of the situation. The urgency was clear. He did not say yes, he said he would consider it." Texts from the mayor's spokesperson to city employees backs up the story. At around the same time of Frey's call to Walz, the spokesperson sent messages to the employees saying "Frey came out and said the chief wants him to call in the national guard for help at Third Precinct. Mayor appears intent on doing." Next text. "He called the governor just now. Walz was hesitating". Finally late at night on May 28th he sent 100 guardsmen despite the mayor requesting "at least 600."

So for a full two days, the city of Minneapolis was burning to the ground and Walz stood down. Only under pressure from the mayor did he finally send a small fraction of what was requested. Then the next day in a press conference on May 29th, Walz said it was Frey who delayed the response and blamed him for letting the situation spiral out of control when there is complete evidence to the contrary backed up by text messages and phone call records.

Now getting to the Trump quote, he said “I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days". Which was said by Trump on June 1st. So instead of accusing Walz of being the moron that he is in his initial response, he commended him on actually finally doing his job. If Trump had shit on him in that moment the media would have told everyone that Trump was upset that he sent the National Guard.

The dishonest media in full force.
Wow.

Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 2:29 pm
by Lazerus
Reign in Blood wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:14 pm
Jason wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:23 am
Headhunter wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:53 pm
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:02 am What I've seen doesn't reflect that. he's fairly split in favorable and unfavorable and in the overall, the overwhelming majority (71%) don't know who he is. He allowed Minnesota to burn, which is a big no-no. You can't trust this dude to protect the country.
No he didn’t. This is another bad right wing talking point that isn’t working. He sent in the National Guard when the mayors requested help. Even your guy Trump was praising him in 2020 for how he handled the protests. It is very funny that Trump is now changing his stance on this in hindsight, but the public record shows he could not have praised Walz more when the situation was actually playing out. In which case, I guess we can’t trust Trump to protect the country.
I'm definitely seeing an opposite result here.

Firstly, to offer a "good job" for finally calling in the national guard during a time of extreme unrest is the only way to go about it. Oftentimes you have to ingratiate a politician by applauding them when they do something right, and the hope is that then they'll get the notion that they should do more right things (Glenn Youngkin, for example, just issued a mandate of defortification for the state of Virginia and he deserves a pat on the back). But a rudimentary search of the timeline and exact quotes will show that the actual talking point that isn't working/makes no sense is coming from the leftist media.

CNN basically said everything you stated here in an article I just read. But looking at the timeline, the Floyd riots began on May 26th. A call was made by Jacob Frey (Minneapolis mayor) to Tim Walz on May 27th calling for the National Guard. "We expressed the seriousness of the situation. The urgency was clear. He did not say yes, he said he would consider it." Texts from the mayor's spokesperson to city employees backs up the story. At around the same time of Frey's call to Walz, the spokesperson sent messages to the employees saying "Frey came out and said the chief wants him to call in the national guard for help at Third Precinct. Mayor appears intent on doing." Next text. "He called the governor just now. Walz was hesitating". Finally late at night on May 28th he sent 100 guardsmen despite the mayor requesting "at least 600."

So for a full two days, the city of Minneapolis was burning to the ground and Walz stood down. Only under pressure from the mayor did he finally send a small fraction of what was requested. Then the next day in a press conference on May 29th, Walz said it was Frey who delayed the response and blamed him for letting the situation spiral out of control when there is complete evidence to the contrary backed up by text messages and phone call records.

Now getting to the Trump quote, he said “I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days". Which was said by Trump on June 1st. So instead of accusing Walz of being the moron that he is in his initial response, he commended him on actually finally doing his job. If Trump had shit on him in that moment the media would have told everyone that Trump was upset that he sent the National Guard.

The dishonest media in full force.
Wow.
I'll be glad when the day comes where Trump and MAGA are both things of the past and we can all move on from it.

Re: J.D. Vance = Trump's VP

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 2:43 pm
by Jason
Reign in Blood wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 1:14 pm
Jason wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:23 am
Headhunter wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:53 pm
Jason wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:02 am What I've seen doesn't reflect that. he's fairly split in favorable and unfavorable and in the overall, the overwhelming majority (71%) don't know who he is. He allowed Minnesota to burn, which is a big no-no. You can't trust this dude to protect the country.
No he didn’t. This is another bad right wing talking point that isn’t working. He sent in the National Guard when the mayors requested help. Even your guy Trump was praising him in 2020 for how he handled the protests. It is very funny that Trump is now changing his stance on this in hindsight, but the public record shows he could not have praised Walz more when the situation was actually playing out. In which case, I guess we can’t trust Trump to protect the country.
I'm definitely seeing an opposite result here.

Firstly, to offer a "good job" for finally calling in the national guard during a time of extreme unrest is the only way to go about it. Oftentimes you have to ingratiate a politician by applauding them when they do something right, and the hope is that then they'll get the notion that they should do more right things (Glenn Youngkin, for example, just issued a mandate of defortification for the state of Virginia and he deserves a pat on the back). But a rudimentary search of the timeline and exact quotes will show that the actual talking point that isn't working/makes no sense is coming from the leftist media.

CNN basically said everything you stated here in an article I just read. But looking at the timeline, the Floyd riots began on May 26th. A call was made by Jacob Frey (Minneapolis mayor) to Tim Walz on May 27th calling for the National Guard. "We expressed the seriousness of the situation. The urgency was clear. He did not say yes, he said he would consider it." Texts from the mayor's spokesperson to city employees backs up the story. At around the same time of Frey's call to Walz, the spokesperson sent messages to the employees saying "Frey came out and said the chief wants him to call in the national guard for help at Third Precinct. Mayor appears intent on doing." Next text. "He called the governor just now. Walz was hesitating". Finally late at night on May 28th he sent 100 guardsmen despite the mayor requesting "at least 600."

So for a full two days, the city of Minneapolis was burning to the ground and Walz stood down. Only under pressure from the mayor did he finally send a small fraction of what was requested. Then the next day in a press conference on May 29th, Walz said it was Frey who delayed the response and blamed him for letting the situation spiral out of control when there is complete evidence to the contrary backed up by text messages and phone call records.

Now getting to the Trump quote, he said “I fully agree with the way he handled it the last couple of days". Which was said by Trump on June 1st. So instead of accusing Walz of being the moron that he is in his initial response, he commended him on actually finally doing his job. If Trump had shit on him in that moment the media would have told everyone that Trump was upset that he sent the National Guard.

The dishonest media in full force.
Wow.
Indeed.