Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[zombie]

politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

[Jason]

was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Well, speaking from experience, I had my blood clot in my leg about 3 weeks before Obamacare took over and once Obamacare took over it completely destroyed my process of finding a good doctor and getting my health situation settled. Because of Obamacare, I spent the next three years unable to work because of the incompetence of that bill and the doctors it forced me to go with. I spent three years not knowing that the cause of my clot was because of a very common factor v leiden protein deficiency. And the only reason I found out this was what I had was because I went to the doctor that I had before the Obamacare switch took over and got their notes and it stated that they did a genetic mutation. The doctors I had under Obamacare didn't bother with it and instead kept sending me into bone marrow biopsies, CT scans and making me think I had some sort of leukemia or lymphoma that they couldn't detect. So while Obamacare derailed my life for several years, I fully acknowledge that it has certainly also helped some people.

Trump recently stated that fully removing Obamacare is probably a bad idea and if he is president he is going to look into trying to rework it instead of remove it completely.

[Jason]

politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

I get the impression that Fooski loves you and am almost certain he left because his business started taking off and he found a woman to share his life with.

[Jason]

politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

Horror discussions slowly just died off, a lot of people got older and got busy, some may have left because of politics too. It's a combination of a lot of things, really. There's only so many discussions we can have about Friday 4 being the greatest slasher of all time.

[zombie]

was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Well, speaking from experience, I had my blood clot in my leg about 3 weeks before Obamacare took over and once Obamacare took over it completely destroyed my process of finding a good doctor and getting my health situation settled. Because of Obamacare, I spent the next three years unable to work because of the incompetence of that bill and the doctors it forced me to go with. I spent three years not knowing that the cause of my clot was because of a very common factor v leiden protein deficiency. And the only reason I found out this was what I had was because I went to the doctor that I had before the Obamacare switch took over and got their notes and it stated that they did a genetic mutation. The doctors I had under Obamacare didn't bother with it and instead kept sending me into bone marrow biopsies, CT scans and making me thing I had some sort of leukemia or lymphoma that they couldn't detect. So while Obamacare derailed my life for several years, I fully acknowledge that it has certainly also helped some people.

Trump recently stated that fully removing Obamacare is probably a bad idea and if he is president he is going to look into trying to rework it instead of remove it completely.

well you're speaking more favorably of it than what i recall during the time that it was in place fully. so there's that. sucks that you had to deal with all of that crap, whatever the reason or whoever's fault it was on a policy level.

[zombie]

politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

I get the impression that Fooski loves you and am almost certain he left because his business started taking off and he found a woman to share his life with.

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

[Jason]

politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

I get the impression that Fooski loves you and am almost certain he left because his business started taking off and he found a woman to share his life with.

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

[Jason]

well you're speaking more favorably of it than what i recall during the time that it was in place fully. so there's that. sucks that you had to deal with all of that crap, whatever the reason or whoever's fault it was on a policy level.

Well, I will always despise it on a personal note. Three years of your 20s putting your life and career on hold wondering if you had cancer is not very fun.

[zombie]

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

[Jason]

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

[zombie]

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

i don't think i'm anyone's favorite member. and i don't think i'm the whole reason that anyone left, foo included.

[Lazerus]

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

i don't think i'm anyone's favorite member. and i don't think i'm the whole reason that anyone left, foo included.

My opinion of him is extremely low which wasn't the case until recently. When I found those comments he made about me (and there were several across different threads) and others here it changed the once (mostly) positive opinion I have of him. He and I used to get along well, we never had any issues that I recall. So I was caught off guard by those comments but he said what he said and it's probably a good thing he isn't around because I would have been a lot less casual in my response.

The absence of Seb and Dream feels strange. Both were regulars for so long that it just feels sorta empty with out them around. I know Seb has a family now and Dream is doing her podcast and writing. Those things keep them busy along with other RL stuff and I get that.

[zombie]

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

i don't think i'm anyone's favorite member. and i don't think i'm the whole reason that anyone left, foo included.

My opinion of him is extremely low which wasn't the case until recently. When I found those comments he made about me (and there were several across different threads) and others here it changed the once (mostly) positive opinion I have of him. He and I used to get along well, we never had any issues that I recall. So I was caught off guard by those comments but he said what he said and it's probably a good thing he isn't around because I would have been a lot less casual in my response.

The absence of Seb and Dream feels strange. Both were regulars for so long that it just feels sorta empty with out them around. I know Seb has a family now and Dream is doing her podcast and writing. Those things keep them busy along with other RL stuff and I get that.

you and i butted heads a lot in the past. if we can come to be civil and/or friendly toward each other, then probably anyone can. if it's worth it to you or to him to give that a go is another thing altogether. maybe separation and distance between you two is better. that's not for me to say.

i don't know why seb left. and i know that life away from hmf does get in the way a lot. hopefully they'll both find some tme to come around all the same.

[Lazerus]

you and i butted heads a lot in the past. if we can come to be civil and/or friendly toward each other, then probably anyone can. if it's worth it to you or to him to give that a go is another thing altogether. maybe separation and distance between you two is better. that's not for me to say.

i don't know why seb left. and i know that life away from hmf does get in the way a lot. hopefully they'll both find some tme to come around all the same.

True and a lot of that was my fault at the time. I accept responsibility for my actions back then. A lot of what was happening on here and in RL were my issues. So I can understand you or anyone having negative feelings towards me then or even now. But again, he and I never had any headbutting back then. I know he was annoyed with the feuding between me and Marco but so were you and everyone else. All that matters at the end of the day is how we grow as people and move forward. If he's holding onto some animosity or whatever towards me then that's on him.

[Lazerus]

Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

You can take it however you want. I stand by what I have said in regards to Trump. You say things like "He's against the establishment." In reality he is a billionaire who is PART of said establishment. Fighting against it does him no good. He is a salesman who is good at telling people what they want to hear just to get what he wants for himself. He was in office for 4 years and the only things he ultimately accomplished was lowering taxes on the ultra rich elite class and stacking SCOTUS with evangelical nut cases, one of them sexually assaulted a woman in college. He has lied repeatedly about his association with the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 among dozen of other lies and then there's the fact he is a convicted felon. I am not the only person here to point these things out to you. Zombie, Sebastian, Headhunter and many others have all said the same things and yet you still justify his bullshit, make excuses, and spout conspiracy theories. You even went as far as stating that ego manic and a narcissistic personality are qualities of good leadership. That is some of the most ABSURD SHIT I have ever heard! As I have said. You've got tunnel vision.

On a more personal note. I have never had a problem with you and to the best of my knowledge you've never had one with me. I'd rather it not go that direction so I am leaving this conversation. But I will say this, I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

I think the issue here is you seem to know for a fact that your opinion is correct and are just not open to the idea that you might be wrong about Trump. You think he only lowered taxes for the mega rich but in reality I calculated my paychecks under his administration and while my income tax was around the same as it always was, each paycheck I received had a higher percentage returned to me, so he did lower taxes for the working class. Fuel hovered in the lower-middle 2-dollar range for almost all 4 years of his presidency, and I live in California. You seem to know for a fact that a SCOTUS member sexually assaulted women in college when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest it ever occurred and if it did, why wait 30-something years right as he is picked for SCOTUS? The timing of all four women coming out at the exact same time doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Don't you think it's wrong to condemn a human being and label them a rapist or abuser without any evidence and only an accusation, especially half a lifetime later and coincidentally timed? One of the women cracked and backed out and recanted her entire story. Does that not hold any weight? You seem to be absolutely convinced that he committed 91 felonies and are not at all open to the idea that this could easily be a witch hunt brought on by the establishment he may have once been a part of and is now running against. He's openly discussed on podcasts that he worked with politicians to help his business and how nasty the entire process is. He admitted to using tax loopholes to avoid federal taxes on business losses and in the same breath pointed out that the establishment is constantly doing the same. And when he finally does release his taxes it's revealed that he pays more than the other politicians. He is the only guy to talk about corruption within politics and there is no coincidence that people like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. and many others on the left are jumping ship. The anti-establishment politicians seem to be backing Trump which further solidifies my belief that he is very likely not blowing smoke up our asses. The difference is, I'm willing to admit that I still do not know for sure, but as I've said before, I'm using my own best judgment in the pursuit of truth and I still lean pretty heavily in my belief that Trump, who was once part of the crooked process for his businesses, is now running against it as a modern reformer to make life a little easier for the working class. That isn't tunnel vision and I don't know why you keep trying to stick that label on me.

And of course I've never had a personal issue with you. It is easy for people to identify themselves with their political beliefs and that is a recipe for an unhappy life. Politics is beneath you, regardless of its importance to our society which is why you'll often see me posting silly memes and gifs. It's a serious thing, but it's not worth allowing it to consume you.

I don't know if I am correct or not and admitted this before. Trump has committed crimes, yes. Has he committed 91 felonies? I don't know, that is up to the courts to determine. As for the SCOTUS member it doesn't matter to me if it's 3 years or 30. The woman came forward and maybe she was lying and maybe she wasn't. I don't know but I chose to believe her. Yes I think it is wrong for anyone to accuse someone of sexual assault and rape if that person did not such thing. But we don't know for certain that he didn't. Now as yourself this... if Trump has turned against the establishment after all these decades... why? Did they turn their backs on him first and for him this is all about revenge? Either way I still believe he is only about himself. That is my opinion of him and I don't trust him.

Now maybe I am wrong about you having tunnel vision, probably am. But that is the impression I have gotten from this conversation. Just for the record I have voted for candidates from both parties over the years. I am Independent, I have no allegiance to either side.

[Lazerus]

was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

I have been self employed through my business for years and have used the marketplace for my medical insurance. I have no issue with it.

[Jason]

Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

You can take it however you want. I stand by what I have said in regards to Trump. You say things like "He's against the establishment." In reality he is a billionaire who is PART of said establishment. Fighting against it does him no good. He is a salesman who is good at telling people what they want to hear just to get what he wants for himself. He was in office for 4 years and the only things he ultimately accomplished was lowering taxes on the ultra rich elite class and stacking SCOTUS with evangelical nut cases, one of them sexually assaulted a woman in college. He has lied repeatedly about his association with the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 among dozen of other lies and then there's the fact he is a convicted felon. I am not the only person here to point these things out to you. Zombie, Sebastian, Headhunter and many others have all said the same things and yet you still justify his bullshit, make excuses, and spout conspiracy theories. You even went as far as stating that ego manic and a narcissistic personality are qualities of good leadership. That is some of the most ABSURD SHIT I have ever heard! As I have said. You've got tunnel vision.

On a more personal note. I have never had a problem with you and to the best of my knowledge you've never had one with me. I'd rather it not go that direction so I am leaving this conversation. But I will say this, I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

I think the issue here is you seem to know for a fact that your opinion is correct and are just not open to the idea that you might be wrong about Trump. You think he only lowered taxes for the mega rich but in reality I calculated my paychecks under his administration and while my income tax was around the same as it always was, each paycheck I received had a higher percentage returned to me, so he did lower taxes for the working class. Fuel hovered in the lower-middle 2-dollar range for almost all 4 years of his presidency, and I live in California. You seem to know for a fact that a SCOTUS member sexually assaulted women in college when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest it ever occurred and if it did, why wait 30-something years right as he is picked for SCOTUS? The timing of all four women coming out at the exact same time doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Don't you think it's wrong to condemn a human being and label them a rapist or abuser without any evidence and only an accusation, especially half a lifetime later and coincidentally timed? One of the women cracked and backed out and recanted her entire story. Does that not hold any weight? You seem to be absolutely convinced that he committed 91 felonies and are not at all open to the idea that this could easily be a witch hunt brought on by the establishment he may have once been a part of and is now running against. He's openly discussed on podcasts that he worked with politicians to help his business and how nasty the entire process is. He admitted to using tax loopholes to avoid federal taxes on business losses and in the same breath pointed out that the establishment is constantly doing the same. And when he finally does release his taxes it's revealed that he pays more than the other politicians. He is the only guy to talk about corruption within politics and there is no coincidence that people like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. and many others on the left are jumping ship. The anti-establishment politicians seem to be backing Trump which further solidifies my belief that he is very likely not blowing smoke up our asses. The difference is, I'm willing to admit that I still do not know for sure, but as I've said before, I'm using my own best judgment in the pursuit of truth and I still lean pretty heavily in my belief that Trump, who was once part of the crooked process for his businesses, is now running against it as a modern reformer to make life a little easier for the working class. That isn't tunnel vision and I don't know why you keep trying to stick that label on me.

And of course I've never had a personal issue with you. It is easy for people to identify themselves with their political beliefs and that is a recipe for an unhappy life. Politics is beneath you, regardless of its importance to our society which is why you'll often see me posting silly memes and gifs. It's a serious thing, but it's not worth allowing it to consume you.

I don't know if I am correct or not and admitted this before. Trump has committed crimes, yes. Has he committed 91 felonies? I don't know, that is up to the courts to determine. As for the SCOTUS member it doesn't matter to me if it's 3 years or 30. The woman came forward and maybe she was lying and maybe she wasn't. I don't know but I chose to believe her. Yes I think it is wrong for anyone to accuse someone of sexual assault and rape if that person did not such thing. But we don't know for certain that he didn't. Now as yourself this... if Trump has turned against the establishment after all these decades... why? Did they turn their backs on him first and for him this is all about revenge? Either way I still believe he is only about himself. That is my opinion of him and I don't trust him.

Now maybe I am wrong about you having tunnel vision, probably am. But that is the impression I have gotten from this conversation. Just for the record I have voted for candidates from both parties over the years. I am Independent, I have no allegiance to either side.

If you look at Trump interviews over the last 40+ years his opinion has largely remained the same: Taxes are out of control, politicians are weak and are allowing other nations to rip us off. He said if it ever got so bad he might consider running, then he did, and they turned against him. Or maybe he turned against them. Either way you could see the shift in opinion the moment he decided to run against the establishment. People that loved him suddenly hated him. They made wild claims out of the blue. Just didn't add up. I thought he was running as a joke like many of us did but seeing the media focus all their attention to him made me really pay attention and it seems to me he's in it for the good of the country. Perhaps to satisfy his ego as well, but I'm not really concerned about that part.

[Jigsaw]

Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

I don't doubt it's divisive, but I err toward freedom of discussion as opposed to a blanket banning of the topic. God knows I have strong feelings (third party 2024), and I've said some things I'm not proud of, but ignoring the topic entirely seems potentially unwise.

I guess I see it this way - I'm a socialist (and to be clear, an anti-capitalist who refuses to vote for Democrats because 99% of Democrats are capitalists), and I'd rather be able to talk/argue to conservatives here as opposed to not having the chance to find any common ground.

It's also worth mentioning that most of us live in this country, and we're becoming incredibly divided. If we can't talk politics here in good faith, that doesn't bode well for the country as a whole (the fact that I find this country among the worst in the world is beside the point).

Obviously I agree to some extent - for a long time, no one was talking politics here, and it popped back up - but the option to talk politics should always be open. Just my views, of course.

[Jigsaw]

was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Obamacare was a Republican plan. That's why it's absolutely shit.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ ... obe-215112

Universal healtcare for all. Where do we get the money? Wealth caps and cutting the military budget, to start with. Easy solution.

[Jason]

was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Obamacare was a Republican plan. That's why it's absolutely shit.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ ... obe-215112

Universal healtcare for all. Where do we get the money? Wealth caps and cutting the military budget, to start with. Easy solution.

How about opening up the market to allow freedom of choice in healthcare and a call for the drastic lowering of prices within the pharmaceutical industry? I don't want to see America willingly disarm itself and become vulnerable when we can easily target the trillion dollar industry of the medical apparatus that has no interest in seeing us get healthy, but rather keep us on their drugs and continue to pay them for life. Target the industry, not the taxpayer.