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Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:04 am politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:38 am

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:04 am politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:04 am politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:41 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Well, speaking from experience, I had my blood clot in my leg about 3 weeks before Obamacare took over and once Obamacare took over it completely destroyed my process of finding a good doctor and getting my health situation settled. Because of Obamacare, I spent the next three years unable to work because of the incompetence of that bill and the doctors it forced me to go with. I spent three years not knowing that the cause of my clot was because of a very common factor v leiden protein deficiency. And the only reason I found out this was what I had was because I went to the doctor that I had before the Obamacare switch took over and got their notes and it stated that they did a genetic mutation. The doctors I had under Obamacare didn't bother with it and instead kept sending me into bone marrow biopsies, CT scans and making me thing I had some sort of leukemia or lymphoma that they couldn't detect. So while Obamacare derailed my life for several years, I fully acknowledge that it has certainly also helped some people.

Trump recently stated that fully removing Obamacare is probably a bad idea and if he is president he is going to look into trying to rework it instead of remove it completely.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:42 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:38 am

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:04 am politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

I get the impression that Fooski loves you and am almost certain he left because his business started taking off and he found a woman to share his life with.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:42 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:38 am

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:04 am politics gets personal in a way that most other topics don't. but it's not the politics, it's the way that we discuss it. we should all still treat each other civilly despite our viewpoint or attachment (or lack of) to certain politicians. and that goes both ways. i know i can kind of be a shit about it too. and maybe i'm part of the reason that some people left or cut back on their time here. it sucks... but it's on us. not on the topics being available to talk about.

I don't recall you ever being nasty or aggressive with anyone here but then again I was gone for a long time. But i have been told privately that the political discussions were part of why some left HMF. Maybe those people are wrong, idk. But I do find it odd that some OG members are not around anymore and from what I have seen this all started around a year and a half ago. Seb, Dabo, Havok, Dream, Luna, and a few others all absent and all seemed to have removed themselves from here around the same time period.

i get the impression that a large part of the reason that foo left was to do with me. maybe others too. i don't think dream left because of politics. or at least that's not the whole reason. but yeah, maybe some did. but i think that it's how we got heated about it, not about the politics itself.

I get the impression that Fooski loves you and am almost certain he left because his business started taking off and he found a woman to share his life with.

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:46 amwell you're speaking more favorably of it than what i recall during the time that it was in place fully. so there's that. sucks that you had to deal with all of that crap, whatever the reason or whoever's fault it was on a policy level.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:49 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:52 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:49 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:56 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:52 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:49 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:58 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:56 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:52 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:49 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

i don't think i'm anyone's favorite member. and i don't think i'm the whole reason that anyone left, foo included.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:05 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:58 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:56 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:52 am

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:49 am

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

you probably talk to him more than i do, i guess i can concede on this, but it still doesn't feel that way to me.

I haven't talked to him since he last logged in I don't think.

well, then i stand by my opinion.

I think Foo and I have fairly similar personalities. I would be more inclined to say that he is your favorite member far more so than he would leave the site because of you.

i don't think i'm anyone's favorite member. and i don't think i'm the whole reason that anyone left, foo included.

My opinion of him is extremely low which wasn't the case until recently. When I found those comments he made about me (and there were several across different threads) and others here it changed the once (mostly) positive opinion I have of him. He and I used to get along well, we never had any issues that I recall. So I was caught off guard by those comments but he said what he said and it's probably a good thing he isn't around because I would have been a lot less casual in my response.

The absence of Seb and Dream feels strange. Both were regulars for so long that it just feels sorta empty with out them around. I know Seb has a family now and Dream is doing her podcast and writing. Those things keep them busy along with other RL stuff and I get that.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:11 pm
you and i butted heads a lot in the past. if we can come to be civil and/or friendly toward each other, then probably anyone can. if it's worth it to you or to him to give that a go is another thing altogether. maybe separation and distance between you two is better. that's not for me to say.

i don't know why seb left. and i know that life away from hmf does get in the way a lot. hopefully they'll both find some tme to come around all the same.

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:18 am

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:43 pm Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

You can take it however you want. I stand by what I have said in regards to Trump. You say things like "He's against the establishment." In reality he is a billionaire who is PART of said establishment. Fighting against it does him no good. He is a salesman who is good at telling people what they want to hear just to get what he wants for himself. He was in office for 4 years and the only things he ultimately accomplished was lowering taxes on the ultra rich elite class and stacking SCOTUS with evangelical nut cases, one of them sexually assaulted a woman in college. He has lied repeatedly about his association with the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 among dozen of other lies and then there's the fact he is a convicted felon. I am not the only person here to point these things out to you. Zombie, Sebastian, Headhunter and many others have all said the same things and yet you still justify his bullshit, make excuses, and spout conspiracy theories. You even went as far as stating that ego manic and a narcissistic personality are qualities of good leadership. That is some of the most ABSURD SHIT I have ever heard! As I have said. You've got tunnel vision.

On a more personal note. I have never had a problem with you and to the best of my knowledge you've never had one with me. I'd rather it not go that direction so I am leaving this conversation. But I will say this, I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

I think the issue here is you seem to know for a fact that your opinion is correct and are just not open to the idea that you might be wrong about Trump. You think he only lowered taxes for the mega rich but in reality I calculated my paychecks under his administration and while my income tax was around the same as it always was, each paycheck I received had a higher percentage returned to me, so he did lower taxes for the working class. Fuel hovered in the lower-middle 2-dollar range for almost all 4 years of his presidency, and I live in California. You seem to know for a fact that a SCOTUS member sexually assaulted women in college when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest it ever occurred and if it did, why wait 30-something years right as he is picked for SCOTUS? The timing of all four women coming out at the exact same time doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Don't you think it's wrong to condemn a human being and label them a rapist or abuser without any evidence and only an accusation, especially half a lifetime later and coincidentally timed? One of the women cracked and backed out and recanted her entire story. Does that not hold any weight? You seem to be absolutely convinced that he committed 91 felonies and are not at all open to the idea that this could easily be a witch hunt brought on by the establishment he may have once been a part of and is now running against. He's openly discussed on podcasts that he worked with politicians to help his business and how nasty the entire process is. He admitted to using tax loopholes to avoid federal taxes on business losses and in the same breath pointed out that the establishment is constantly doing the same. And when he finally does release his taxes it's revealed that he pays more than the other politicians. He is the only guy to talk about corruption within politics and there is no coincidence that people like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. and many others on the left are jumping ship. The anti-establishment politicians seem to be backing Trump which further solidifies my belief that he is very likely not blowing smoke up our asses. The difference is, I'm willing to admit that I still do not know for sure, but as I've said before, I'm using my own best judgment in the pursuit of truth and I still lean pretty heavily in my belief that Trump, who was once part of the crooked process for his businesses, is now running against it as a modern reformer to make life a little easier for the working class. That isn't tunnel vision and I don't know why you keep trying to stick that label on me.

And of course I've never had a personal issue with you. It is easy for people to identify themselves with their political beliefs and that is a recipe for an unhappy life. Politics is beneath you, regardless of its importance to our society which is why you'll often see me posting silly memes and gifs. It's a serious thing, but it's not worth allowing it to consume you.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:34 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:18 am

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:43 pm Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

You can take it however you want. I stand by what I have said in regards to Trump. You say things like "He's against the establishment." In reality he is a billionaire who is PART of said establishment. Fighting against it does him no good. He is a salesman who is good at telling people what they want to hear just to get what he wants for himself. He was in office for 4 years and the only things he ultimately accomplished was lowering taxes on the ultra rich elite class and stacking SCOTUS with evangelical nut cases, one of them sexually assaulted a woman in college. He has lied repeatedly about his association with the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 among dozen of other lies and then there's the fact he is a convicted felon. I am not the only person here to point these things out to you. Zombie, Sebastian, Headhunter and many others have all said the same things and yet you still justify his bullshit, make excuses, and spout conspiracy theories. You even went as far as stating that ego manic and a narcissistic personality are qualities of good leadership. That is some of the most ABSURD SHIT I have ever heard! As I have said. You've got tunnel vision.

On a more personal note. I have never had a problem with you and to the best of my knowledge you've never had one with me. I'd rather it not go that direction so I am leaving this conversation. But I will say this, I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

I think the issue here is you seem to know for a fact that your opinion is correct and are just not open to the idea that you might be wrong about Trump. You think he only lowered taxes for the mega rich but in reality I calculated my paychecks under his administration and while my income tax was around the same as it always was, each paycheck I received had a higher percentage returned to me, so he did lower taxes for the working class. Fuel hovered in the lower-middle 2-dollar range for almost all 4 years of his presidency, and I live in California. You seem to know for a fact that a SCOTUS member sexually assaulted women in college when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest it ever occurred and if it did, why wait 30-something years right as he is picked for SCOTUS? The timing of all four women coming out at the exact same time doesn't ring any alarm bells for you? Don't you think it's wrong to condemn a human being and label them a rapist or abuser without any evidence and only an accusation, especially half a lifetime later and coincidentally timed? One of the women cracked and backed out and recanted her entire story. Does that not hold any weight? You seem to be absolutely convinced that he committed 91 felonies and are not at all open to the idea that this could easily be a witch hunt brought on by the establishment he may have once been a part of and is now running against. He's openly discussed on podcasts that he worked with politicians to help his business and how nasty the entire process is. He admitted to using tax loopholes to avoid federal taxes on business losses and in the same breath pointed out that the establishment is constantly doing the same. And when he finally does release his taxes it's revealed that he pays more than the other politicians. He is the only guy to talk about corruption within politics and there is no coincidence that people like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. and many others on the left are jumping ship. The anti-establishment politicians seem to be backing Trump which further solidifies my belief that he is very likely not blowing smoke up our asses. The difference is, I'm willing to admit that I still do not know for sure, but as I've said before, I'm using my own best judgment in the pursuit of truth and I still lean pretty heavily in my belief that Trump, who was once part of the crooked process for his businesses, is now running against it as a modern reformer to make life a little easier for the working class. That isn't tunnel vision and I don't know why you keep trying to stick that label on me.

And of course I've never had a personal issue with you. It is easy for people to identify themselves with their political beliefs and that is a recipe for an unhappy life. Politics is beneath you, regardless of its importance to our society which is why you'll often see me posting silly memes and gifs. It's a serious thing, but it's not worth allowing it to consume you.

I don't know if I am correct or not and admitted this before. Trump has committed crimes, yes. Has he committed 91 felonies? I don't know, that is up to the courts to determine. As for the SCOTUS member it doesn't matter to me if it's 3 years or 30. The woman came forward and maybe she was lying and maybe she wasn't. I don't know but I chose to believe her. Yes I think it is wrong for anyone to accuse someone of sexual assault and rape if that person did not such thing. But we don't know for certain that he didn't. Now as yourself this... if Trump has turned against the establishment after all these decades... why? Did they turn their backs on him first and for him this is all about revenge? Either way I still believe he is only about himself. That is my opinion of him and I don't trust him.

Now maybe I am wrong about you having tunnel vision, probably am. But that is the impression I have gotten from this conversation. Just for the record I have voted for candidates from both parties over the years. I am Independent, I have no allegiance to either side.

Lazerus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:43 pm Alrighty. If that's all you got from that.

I'll have to take your own personal diagnosis of Trump with a grain of salt, though.

I am starting to understand why so many of the OG posters are no longer around here. Topics such of politics are highly divisive, it has nothing to do with Horror and should have never been allowed on the forum in the first place.

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Jigsaw wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:47 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:35 am was obamacare a shit piece of legislation that hurt america and never should have been passed> a lot of people here say yes to al of that. does it matter that it actually did do good for a lot of americans, some of their fellow hmfers included? does it change anyone's mind on obamacare? not even a little bit. the same can be true of politicians and the perceived good that they do. in fact, it's even more murky in the case of politicians as to whether the benefit you felt under their presidency came from them or from other factors, than it is about a care act that was put into place under a president.

Obamacare was a Republican plan. That's why it's absolutely shit.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/ ... obe-215112

Universal healtcare for all. Where do we get the money? Wealth caps and cutting the military budget, to start with. Easy solution.