Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[Jason]

if stupid politics and gossip sniping affects her ability to compete again, that is going to be a fucking bummer.

Even if she was born a female and not even trans, they didn't disclose her T-levels on purpose, and we don't know why. So if she's taking some form of steroids or performance enhancers, she should be barred from competition.

[zombie]

if stupid politics and gossip sniping affects her ability to compete again, that is going to be a fucking bummer.

Even if she was born a female and not even trans, they didn't disclose her T-levels on purpose, and we don't know why. So if she's taking some form of steroids or performance enhancers, she should be barred from competition.

that's nothing to do with what i said.

[zombie]

wikipedia does not list angela carini's wins and/or losses the way that they have with every other boxer or fighter i've looked up. i assume she must have some kind of record as she made it to the olympics... why aren't right wingers bitching about that, instead of all this stupid shit!

[zombie]

reportedly 108 fights. 84 wins including 4 by knockout. to 23 losses and she's only 25. there is no shot that her career is even tarnished seriously by this. unless the right blows it up so much that it becomes an issue for her as well.

[Jason]

wikipedia does not list angela carini's wins and/or losses the way that they have with every other boxer or fighter i've looked up. i assume she must have some kind of record as she made it to the olympics... why aren't right wingers bitching about that, instead of all this stupid shit!

Wikipedia is not a source, and you'd be hard pressed to find even half the participants in the Olympics with a wikipedia page. I don't know who she is, but if you want to see the history of her fights you'd probably find them at boxrec.

I can't find any definitive information regarding the gender status of the person that beat her, so I'll never be convinced one way or another that she was either born with a Y chromosome or born female. The media got their hands on it and I'm fine with never knowing. But again, assuming these two fighters are both biologically female, what we do know is the fighter that won had her T-level tests hidden for undisclosed reasons. Absolutely unacceptable when the livelihood of fighters is on the line and ESPECIALLY female. Women are not built to fight at all if we're being honest. They do not have the muscle tissue and bone density of men. Their neck muscles are particularly weak and if someone, man or woman, has an elevated level of testosterone, the advantage is astronomical and detrimental to the physical health of a fighter, especially female. Fighters get popped and suspended all the time in MMA and boxing. This person should have never been allowed to step foot into the ring until the results of the T-levels were posted and within the limit of the athletic commission.

[zombie]

wikipedia does not list angela carini's wins and/or losses the way that they have with every other boxer or fighter i've looked up. i assume she must have some kind of record as she made it to the olympics... why aren't right wingers bitching about that, instead of all this stupid shit!

Wikipedia is not a source, and you'd be hard pressed to find even half the participants in the Olympics with a wikipedia page. I don't know who she is, but if you want to see the history of her fights you'd probably find them at boxrec.

I can't find any definitive information regarding the gender status of the person that beat her, so I'll never be convinced one way or another that she was either born with a Y chromosome or born female. The media got their hands on it and I'm fine with never knowing. But again, assuming these two fighters are both biologically female, what we do know is the fighter that won had her T-level tests hidden for undisclosed reasons. Absolutely unacceptable when the livelihood of fighters is on the line and ESPECIALLY female. Women are not built to fight at all if we're being honest. They do not have the muscle tissue and bone density of men. Their neck muscles are particularly weak and if someone, man or woman, has an elevated level of testosterone, the advantage is astronomical and detrimental to the physical health of a fighter, especially female. Fighters get popped and suspended all the time in MMA and boxing. This person should have never been allowed to step foot into the ring until the results of the T-levels were posted and within the limit of the athletic commission.

wikipedia is not a source. it's a reference that includes actual sources. i understand that.

did the fighter have her results hidden or did some organization (like the IBA?) hide her results? i agree something shady is going on. i just don't know who is actually being shady. if she is not qualified to fight she should be excluded. the iba should be required to release the documents regarding her test results, whether she's keeping them from doing so to hide her levels or they are doing so because her levels are not elevated to the degree that they claim and the results would show that. either way it is shady, as said before.

[Jason]

wikipedia does not list angela carini's wins and/or losses the way that they have with every other boxer or fighter i've looked up. i assume she must have some kind of record as she made it to the olympics... why aren't right wingers bitching about that, instead of all this stupid shit!

Wikipedia is not a source, and you'd be hard pressed to find even half the participants in the Olympics with a wikipedia page. I don't know who she is, but if you want to see the history of her fights you'd probably find them at boxrec.

I can't find any definitive information regarding the gender status of the person that beat her, so I'll never be convinced one way or another that she was either born with a Y chromosome or born female. The media got their hands on it and I'm fine with never knowing. But again, assuming these two fighters are both biologically female, what we do know is the fighter that won had her T-level tests hidden for undisclosed reasons. Absolutely unacceptable when the livelihood of fighters is on the line and ESPECIALLY female. Women are not built to fight at all if we're being honest. They do not have the muscle tissue and bone density of men. Their neck muscles are particularly weak and if someone, man or woman, has an elevated level of testosterone, the advantage is astronomical and detrimental to the physical health of a fighter, especially female. Fighters get popped and suspended all the time in MMA and boxing. This person should have never been allowed to step foot into the ring until the results of the T-levels were posted and within the limit of the athletic commission.

wikipedia is not a source. it's a reference that includes actual sources. i understand that.

did the fighter have her results hidden or did some organization (like the IBA?) hide her results? i agree something shady is going on. i just don't know who is actually being shady. if she is not qualified to fight she should be excluded. the iba should be required to release the documents regarding her test results, whether she's keeping them from doing so to hide her levels or they are doing so because her levels are not elevated to the degree that they claim and the results would show that. either way it is shady, as said before.

I couldn't tell you who is being shady. I follow MMA very closely and often times certain fighters pop for some type of performance enhancer that is illegal and they're still allowed to perform. Jon Jones has been suspended numerous times and has also gotten away with "pulsing" numerous times. It happens all the time and it's just difficult to regulate too.

[zombie]

wikipedia does not list angela carini's wins and/or losses the way that they have with every other boxer or fighter i've looked up. i assume she must have some kind of record as she made it to the olympics... why aren't right wingers bitching about that, instead of all this stupid shit!

Wikipedia is not a source, and you'd be hard pressed to find even half the participants in the Olympics with a wikipedia page. I don't know who she is, but if you want to see the history of her fights you'd probably find them at boxrec.

I can't find any definitive information regarding the gender status of the person that beat her, so I'll never be convinced one way or another that she was either born with a Y chromosome or born female. The media got their hands on it and I'm fine with never knowing. But again, assuming these two fighters are both biologically female, what we do know is the fighter that won had her T-level tests hidden for undisclosed reasons. Absolutely unacceptable when the livelihood of fighters is on the line and ESPECIALLY female. Women are not built to fight at all if we're being honest. They do not have the muscle tissue and bone density of men. Their neck muscles are particularly weak and if someone, man or woman, has an elevated level of testosterone, the advantage is astronomical and detrimental to the physical health of a fighter, especially female. Fighters get popped and suspended all the time in MMA and boxing. This person should have never been allowed to step foot into the ring until the results of the T-levels were posted and within the limit of the athletic commission.

wikipedia is not a source. it's a reference that includes actual sources. i understand that.

did the fighter have her results hidden or did some organization (like the IBA?) hide her results? i agree something shady is going on. i just don't know who is actually being shady. if she is not qualified to fight she should be excluded. the iba should be required to release the documents regarding her test results, whether she's keeping them from doing so to hide her levels or they are doing so because her levels are not elevated to the degree that they claim and the results would show that. either way it is shady, as said before.

I couldn't tell you who is being shady. I follow MMA very closely and often times certain fighters pop for some type of performance enhancer that is illegal and they're still allowed to perform. Jon Jones has been suspended numerous times and has also gotten away with "pulsing" numerous times. It happens all the time and it's just difficult to regulate too.

it is difficult when people want to cheat. if the gossip was about whether she cheated or not, it would be far more tolerable and far less potentially damaging to not just imane khelif's career.

[Jason]

it is difficult when people want to cheat. if the gossip was about whether she cheated or not, it would be far more tolerable and far less potentially damaging to not just imane khelif's career.

I think steroids and performance enhancing drugs should only be relegated in physical combat. All other sports I really don't care. Lance Armstrong should not have received an ounce of criticism. Every athlete he performed against in the top 20 all tested positive for the same shit and he whooped the shit out of them. Meanwhile all the people that made millions off of him who shame him are the biggest weasels because they'll never relinquish the money they made off of him.

[zombie]

it is difficult when people want to cheat. if the gossip was about whether she cheated or not, it would be far more tolerable and far less potentially damaging to not just imane khelif's career.

I think steroids and performance enhancing drugs should only be relegated in physical combat. All other sports I really don't care. Lance Armstrong should not have received an ounce of criticism. Every athlete he performed against in the top 20 all tested positive for the same shit and he whooped the shit out of them. Meanwhile all the people that made millions off of him who shame him are the biggest weasels because they'll never relinquish the money they made off of him.

so long as steroid use, in any sport, is documented and kept track off officially and athletes who aren't doping can opt out of facing someone who is without penalty, then do it all you want. fighter or not. if an athlete is doing it secretly, no matter how many others are too, then he should be punished. i don't know the details with lance armstrong. i'm just talking generally.

[Headhunter]

That whiny wop woman got popped in the nose and cried oh mama mia! She a hit me too hard

Keep those hands up next time

[Jason]

So about a year and a half ago, the person involved in this Olympic controversy was actually banned from the IBA (International Boxing Association) from competing, but only against women. The IBA legally couldn't disclose the tests that were done because of a confidentiality concern, but stated "Point to note, the athlete did not undergo a testosterone examination but was subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that the athlete did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and was found to have a competitive advantage over other female competitors."

So all signs seem to point to a high likelihood that this person is born with male chromosomes, the olympics ignored it, and allowed Imane to compete against women anyway. The real giveaway here is that after the tests were done, the IBA determined this person was allowed to compete against men.

[zombie]

i believe the ioc (international olympics committee) and not the iba, cleared her to fight after their own investigation. is that not correct?

why would the iba not test her testosterone levels? is that not a common test? what is the separate but recognized test? was the confidentiality on behalf of imane khelif or on behalf of the iba officials who tested her and didn't clear her to compete?

[Jason]

i believe the ioc (international olympics committee) and not the iba, cleared her to fight after their own investigation. is that not correct?

why would the iba not test her testosterone levels? is that not a common test? what is the separate but recognized test? was the confidentiality on behalf of imane khelif or on behalf of the iba officials who tested her and didn't clear her to compete?

Generally each test is done separately, they probably did a karyotype test, saw XY chromosomes,, informed the fighter that he/she could only perform against men, the fighter decided not to move forward and no testosterone test was done.

That's just where the bread crumbs seem to lead us. So either way, looks like everyone all over the planet jumped to conclusions. So quick to have an opinion and shit on others. Social media sucks.

[zombie]

i believe the ioc (international olympics committee) and not the iba, cleared her to fight after their own investigation. is that not correct?

why would the iba not test her testosterone levels? is that not a common test? what is the separate but recognized test? was the confidentiality on behalf of imane khelif or on behalf of the iba officials who tested her and didn't clear her to compete?

Generally each test is done separately, they probably did a test for chromosomes, informed the fighter that he/she could only perform against men, the fighter decided not to move forward and no testosterone test was done.

That's just where the bread crumbs seem to lead us. So either way, looks like everyone all over the planet jumped to conclusions. So quick to have an opinion and shit on others. Social media sucks.

gossip sucks and should have no place in the discussion but we're in a culture war and if you can make people believe that she is a part of the trans conspiracy, ben shapiro and joe rogan and j k rowling are going to have to try! ugh

she has fought other women before the olympics. have any of them brought up concerns? has competing against her taken a toll on their body that is so far beyond the norm, as it relates to their sport? is this really a huge harm to continue to let her compete against other women?

[Jason]

i believe the ioc (international olympics committee) and not the iba, cleared her to fight after their own investigation. is that not correct?

why would the iba not test her testosterone levels? is that not a common test? what is the separate but recognized test? was the confidentiality on behalf of imane khelif or on behalf of the iba officials who tested her and didn't clear her to compete?

Generally each test is done separately, they probably did a test for chromosomes, informed the fighter that he/she could only perform against men, the fighter decided not to move forward and no testosterone test was done.

That's just where the bread crumbs seem to lead us. So either way, looks like everyone all over the planet jumped to conclusions. So quick to have an opinion and shit on others. Social media sucks.

gossip sucks and should have no place in the discussion but we're in a culture war and if you can make people believe that she is a part of the trans conspiracy, ben shapiro and joe rogan and j k rowling are going to have to try! ugh

she has fought other women before the olympics. have any of them brought up concerns? has competing against her taken a toll on their body that is so far beyond the norm, as it relates to their sport? is this really a huge harm to continue to let her compete against other women?

These tests are done for the safety of fighters. Every athletic commission is different and there have obviously been instances of biological men beating the brakes off of women. So it's probably hard for this person to find a place to get approved to fight women, but again, this person was never barred from fighting men.

The greatest female fighter i've ever seen in my life was a woman named Lucia Rijker. She had three separate martial arts careers and was undefeated in all three. Muay Thai, Kickboxing and Boxing. She beat everybody and beat them convincingly. She was so damn good that people were convinced she could beat men. They called her the female Mike Tyson. They put her in an exhibition match against a fairly low level man in a May Thai match and he completely rocked her clean. Scary knockout. It's all over youtube. Women are just not bred to take the physicality that men can.

So at the end of the day, if women really want to do this combat thing, they are already taking a huge risk competing even against each other.

[zombie]

i get that there is a difference between men and women. those differences are lessened when hrt is undertaken. if a ruling body decides that an athlete can not compete with others because they don't meet some part of the qualifications, then so be it. but right now, it seems like the decision is being made, at least in part, because of outside political concerns and i kind of hate that. everyone should, but to each their own i suppose.

can you please show me an article where a trans man or a potentially xx man has been barred from fighting other men? i really want this to be balanced if it's going to be made into such a damn problem.

[Jason]

i get that there is a difference between men and women. those differences are lessened when hrt is undertaken. if a ruling body decides that an athlete can not compete with others because they don't meet some part of the qualifications, then so be it. but right now, it seems like the decision is being made, at least in part, because of outside political concerns and i kind of hate that. everyone should, but to each their own i suppose.

can you please show me an article where a trans man or a potentially xx man has been barred from fighting other men? i really want this to be balanced if it's going to be made into such a damn problem.

HRT is not going to prevent a biological male from having an enormous advantage unless you're talking about giving it to children, in which anyone who even attempts to do so should be thrown in prison.

If you really want balance, you can just throw men and women in the same ring together and watch women get murdered.

[zombie]

i get that there is a difference between men and women. those differences are lessened when hrt is undertaken. if a ruling body decides that an athlete can not compete with others because they don't meet some part of the qualifications, then so be it. but right now, it seems like the decision is being made, at least in part, because of outside political concerns and i kind of hate that. everyone should, but to each their own i suppose.

can you please show me an article where a trans man or a potentially xx man has been barred from fighting other men? i really want this to be balanced if it's going to be made into such a damn problem.

HRT is not going to prevent a biological male from having an enormous advantage unless you're talking about giving it to children, in which anyone who even attempts to do so should be thrown in prison.

If you really want balance, you can just throw men and women in the same ring together and watch women get murdered.

this is politics again. calm down.

[zombie]

lucia rijker fought a man and got ko'd and damaged her career. fallon fox fought a woman and got tko'd and damaged her career. there looks to be at least some kind of difference between men and transwomen as athletes?