Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[zombie]

no one (on a large scale) blames media exposure or bad parenting / manipulation for why someone grows up to be heterosexual because it's just accepted and it doesn't really matter how it happened. it happened. that's who you are.

i hope that we can get there with less common identities too.

[Lazerus]

no one (on a large scale) blames media exposure or bad parenting / manipulation for why someone grows up to be heterosexual because it's just accepted and it doesn't really matter how it happened. it happened. that's who you are.

i hope that we can get there with less common identities too.

I agree that no one should be subjugated or treated unfairly for being different. But I also believe the transgender thing is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, more so than someone coming out as gay. It's not just the person transitioning that's affected, it's the entire family. (naturally some family's will be more accepting of this than others) To Jason's point, I agree that Gen Z has been heavily influenced on this topic by social media. I do believe a lot of these kids want the attention it brings to them and suddenly decide they are trans to get that attention. But, I also realize this is not the case with everyone.

[zombie]

no one (on a large scale) blames media exposure or bad parenting / manipulation for why someone grows up to be heterosexual because it's just accepted and it doesn't really matter how it happened. it happened. that's who you are.

i hope that we can get there with less common identities too.

I agree that no one should be subjugated or treated unfairly for being different. But I also believe the transgender thing is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, more so than someone coming out as gay. It's not just the person transitioning that's affected, it's the entire family. (naturally some family's will be more accepting of this than others) To Jason's point, I agree that Gen Z has been heavily influenced on this topic by social media. I do believe a lot of these kids want the attention it brings to them and suddenly decide they are trans to get that attention. But, I also realize this is not the case with everyone.

if those kids are doing it for attention, then they'll grow out of it. but in the meantime what harm does it actually do? and keep in mind, medical transition is not just something you can do for attention. it takes a screening process and therapy and figuring out how serious you are, and years of blockers (if you're a kid) and hormones. before you ever get to the surgery stage.(again, if you're a kid)

as for hard on the families, yeah. i get that. coming out as gay can also be hard on the family. or conservative in a liberal family. atheist in a religious family. that's part of life. i hope that those families can still have a healthy relationship with their children and vice versa. i hope that both sides offer support and caring to the other. too often it's a wedge that grows between them and that bites.

[Lazerus]

no one (on a large scale) blames media exposure or bad parenting / manipulation for why someone grows up to be heterosexual because it's just accepted and it doesn't really matter how it happened. it happened. that's who you are.

i hope that we can get there with less common identities too.

I agree that no one should be subjugated or treated unfairly for being different. But I also believe the transgender thing is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, more so than someone coming out as gay. It's not just the person transitioning that's affected, it's the entire family. (naturally some family's will be more accepting of this than others) To Jason's point, I agree that Gen Z has been heavily influenced on this topic by social media. I do believe a lot of these kids want the attention it brings to them and suddenly decide they are trans to get that attention. But, I also realize this is not the case with everyone.

if those kids are doing it for attention, then they'll grow out of it. but in the meantime what harm does it actually do? and keep in mind, medical transition is not just something you can do for attention. it takes a screening process and therapy and figuring out how serious you are, and years of blockers (if you're a kid) and hormones. before you ever get to the surgery stage.(again, if you're a kid)

as for hard on the families, yeah. i get that. coming out as gay can also be hard on the family. or conservative in a liberal family. atheist in a religious family. that's part of life. i hope that those families can still have a healthy relationship with their children and vice versa. i hope that both sides offer support and caring to the other. too often it's a wedge that grows between them and that bites.

I would assume it's a case by case basis. If it's for attention and they grow out of it I could see the family moving on and not thinking much of it (unless they're super conservative then I could see it possibly being a bigger issue). But if the child is serious about then again it could do harm to the family if they are ones that won't be accepting. (i.e. conservative religious types) Honestly shit like this is why I am glad that I don't have kids!

I'm an atheist so just about all of my relatives hate me and I don't care lol.
They're ultra conservative, judgmental pricks who act like their shit don't stink but I know better.

I have only met one legit transwoman in my life, it was through work. I didn't know she was trans until she said something. But I never had a negative experience with her. I have worked with numerous gay men and women over the years. Some were pleasant to work with and others I didn't care for. It all comes down to personalities and how they mix, same as it does with straight people.

[zombie]

I would assume it's a case by case basis. If it's for attention and they grow out of it I could see the family moving on and not thinking much of it (unless they're super conservative then I could see it possibly being a bigger issue). But if the child is serious about then again it could do harm to the family if they are ones that won't be accepting. (i.e. conservative religious types) Honestly shit like this is why I am glad that I don't have kids!

I'm an atheist so just about all of my relatives hate me and I don't care lol.
They're ultra conservative, judgmental pricks who act like their shit don't stink but I know better.

I have only met one legit transwoman in my life, it was through work. I didn't know she was trans until she said something. But I never had a negative experience with her. I have worked with numerous gay men and women over the years. Some were pleasant to work with and others I didn't care for. It all comes down to personalities and how they mix, same as it does with straight people.

agreed. the harm comes mostly against the person transitioning or admitting to a belief or sexuality that doesn't match the family. rarely does such a child lash out at accepting or understanding parents and family.

yeah, trans or gay is just another type of person. like all people, there is a chance that they're going to be assholes.

[zombie]

kamala harris shutting down the concerns of potential voters like "if you want donald trump to win, then say that" ... yuck.

[Jason]

kamala harris shutting down the concerns of potential voters like "if you want donald trump to win, then say that" ... yuck.

All she has to do is get out in the open and people will see how dislikable she is and her poll numbers will go down in the aggregate. She's also done a rally in Wisconsin and Michigan and is only using a teleprompter with the same speech prepared. lol. There was a side by side comparison I just saw a little while ago.

[zombie]

kamala harris shutting down the concerns of potential voters like "if you want donald trump to win, then say that" ... yuck.

All she has to do is get out in the open and people will see how dislikable she is and her poll numbers will go down in the aggregate. She's also done a rally in Wisconsin and Michigan and is only using a teleprompter with the same speech prepared. lol. There was a side by side comparison I just saw a little while ago.

voters are gonna vote how they feel. i hope they don't regret their vote after election day.

[Jigsaw]

kamala harris shutting down the concerns of potential voters like "if you want donald trump to win, then say that" ... yuck.

That's the famous Democratic Party voter outreach. Absolutely loved it from Clinton supporters back in 2016.

[Jigsaw]

This may or may not surprise anyone:

I don't really have much to say regarding most trans issues. I know some came to the left (and to be clear, by "left" I mean anti-capitalist, not Democratic) via social justice issues, which is perfectly valid. I came to be on the far-left by purely economic issues, and the social issues largely followed. I barely knew any black or gay people before college, and I only met trans people (at least people I knew were trans) at college, so my experience is somewhat limited.

My main point being, while I probably agree largely with zombie on these arguments, I don't have a big point to add. It's not that it's not my fight, but I admit it's not high up on my radar.

Plus, I've never watched the Olympics in my life, which may be part of it.

[Slaughterhouserock]

I've known several trans people in various capacities. I worked with two transmen, I've hooked up with transmen and transwomen, I had a transman in my last D&D group in florida, etc. Most are just regular ass people and should be treated as such. Claiming they all have mental disorders is just a fallacy.

[zombie]

This may or may not surprise anyone:

I don't really have much to say regarding most trans issues. I know some came to the left (and to be clear, by "left" I mean anti-capitalist, not Democratic) via social justice issues, which is perfectly valid. I came to be on the far-left by purely economic issues, and the social issues largely followed. I barely knew any black or gay people before college, and I only met trans people (at least people I knew were trans) at college, so my experience is somewhat limited.

My main point being, while I probably agree largely with zombie on these arguments, I don't have a big point to add. It's not that it's not my fight, but I admit it's not high up on my radar.

Plus, I've never watched the Olympics in my life, which may be part of it.

that's fair. i'm sure that jason and others wish that i didn't cry about the social issues as much as i do anyways.

[Jason]

I've known several trans people in various capacities. I worked with two transmen, I've hooked up with transmen and transwomen, I had a transman in my last D&D group in florida, etc. Most are just regular ass people and should be treated as such. Claiming they all have mental disorders is just a fallacy.

I disagree. I also disagree with the insinuation that if people believe gay and trans people have mental disorders, then they shouldn't be treated as regular people. From my perspective I could argue that I care the most about trans people because I am willing to admit they have an issue mentally.

Correlating someone who has a mental issue as the same as being treated less than others is where the media began their stranglehold on this topic, in my opinion.

[Jason]

This may or may not surprise anyone:

I don't really have much to say regarding most trans issues. I know some came to the left (and to be clear, by "left" I mean anti-capitalist, not Democratic) via social justice issues, which is perfectly valid. I came to be on the far-left by purely economic issues, and the social issues largely followed. I barely knew any black or gay people before college, and I only met trans people (at least people I knew were trans) at college, so my experience is somewhat limited.

My main point being, while I probably agree largely with zombie on these arguments, I don't have a big point to add. It's not that it's not my fight, but I admit it's not high up on my radar.

Plus, I've never watched the Olympics in my life, which may be part of it.

that's fair. i'm sure that jason and others wish that i didn't cry about the social issues as much as i do anyways.

You're sure wrong.

Why would I wish that?

[zombie]

I've known several trans people in various capacities. I worked with two transmen, I've hooked up with transmen and transwomen, I had a transman in my last D&D group in florida, etc. Most are just regular ass people and should be treated as such. Claiming they all have mental disorders is just a fallacy.

I disagree. I also disagree with the insinuation that if people believe gay and trans people have mental disorders, then they shouldn't be treated as regular people. From my perspective I could argue that I care the most about trans people because I am willing to admit they have an issue mentally.

Correlating someone who has a mental issue as the same as being treated less than others is where the media began their stranglehold on this topic, in my opinion.

sure. it's called gender dysphoria. and it's treated best, at this moment, by social transition, blockers, hormones and surgery when you're of age.

[zombie]

This may or may not surprise anyone:

I don't really have much to say regarding most trans issues. I know some came to the left (and to be clear, by "left" I mean anti-capitalist, not Democratic) via social justice issues, which is perfectly valid. I came to be on the far-left by purely economic issues, and the social issues largely followed. I barely knew any black or gay people before college, and I only met trans people (at least people I knew were trans) at college, so my experience is somewhat limited.

My main point being, while I probably agree largely with zombie on these arguments, I don't have a big point to add. It's not that it's not my fight, but I admit it's not high up on my radar.

Plus, I've never watched the Olympics in my life, which may be part of it.

that's fair. i'm sure that jason and others wish that i didn't cry about the social issues as much as i do anyways.

You're sure wrong.

Why would I wish that?

cause it can be tedious and annoying? i don't know.

[Jason]

I've known several trans people in various capacities. I worked with two transmen, I've hooked up with transmen and transwomen, I had a transman in my last D&D group in florida, etc. Most are just regular ass people and should be treated as such. Claiming they all have mental disorders is just a fallacy.

I disagree. I also disagree with the insinuation that if people believe gay and trans people have mental disorders, then they shouldn't be treated as regular people. From my perspective I could argue that I care the most about trans people because I am willing to admit they have an issue mentally.

Correlating someone who has a mental issue as the same as being treated less than others is where the media began their stranglehold on this topic, in my opinion.

sure. it's called gender dysphoria. and it's treated best, at this moment, by social transition, blockers, hormones and surgery when you're of age.

I truly feel in my heart that it either has no change or makes it worse. The data does not reflect that whatsoever.

[Jason]

This may or may not surprise anyone:

I don't really have much to say regarding most trans issues. I know some came to the left (and to be clear, by "left" I mean anti-capitalist, not Democratic) via social justice issues, which is perfectly valid. I came to be on the far-left by purely economic issues, and the social issues largely followed. I barely knew any black or gay people before college, and I only met trans people (at least people I knew were trans) at college, so my experience is somewhat limited.

My main point being, while I probably agree largely with zombie on these arguments, I don't have a big point to add. It's not that it's not my fight, but I admit it's not high up on my radar.

Plus, I've never watched the Olympics in my life, which may be part of it.

that's fair. i'm sure that jason and others wish that i didn't cry about the social issues as much as i do anyways.

You're sure wrong.

Why would I wish that?

cause it can be tedious and annoying? i don't know.

I clicked on the thread, didn't I?

Personal responsibility! It's my own fault for subjecting myself to all your guyseses crazy ass anti-Trump, America hating rhetoric.

(totally joking by the way.)

[Slaughterhouserock]

I disagree. I also disagree with the insinuation that if people believe gay and trans people have mental disorders, then they shouldn't be treated as regular people. From my perspective I could argue that I care the most about trans people because I am willing to admit they have an issue mentally.

Correlating someone who has a mental issue as the same as being treated less than others is where the media began their stranglehold on this topic, in my opinion.

Unable to comprehend an issue? Guess they have a mental disorder, it's the only thing that makes sense.

[Jason]

I disagree. I also disagree with the insinuation that if people believe gay and trans people have mental disorders, then they shouldn't be treated as regular people. From my perspective I could argue that I care the most about trans people because I am willing to admit they have an issue mentally.

Correlating someone who has a mental issue as the same as being treated less than others is where the media began their stranglehold on this topic, in my opinion.

Unable to comprehend an issue? Guess they have a mental disorder, it's the only thing that makes sense.

Having the desire to mutilate your genitals to try and live as the opposite sex is not as simple as having an inability to comprehend an issue. That's an oversimplification of a much larger problem.