Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:32 pm
I personally think LBJ knew immediately what happened and knew he needed to play ball. I just don’t think anyone is signing off on being a sitting duck in a crossfire if they were in on the plan. In 1967, he privately told an aide he believed the CIA had been involved. Curious if Robert Caro’s final LBJ book reveals any of his thinking, if Caro is still alive to finish it.
I don’t think the Mafia were the largest players, i think the CIA was. And I think that extends into the general national security apparatus, as there needed to be some level of coordination with Secret Service and likely the FBI as well. Something like that could be compartmentalized pretty easily and you only need a handful of links in that chain to make sure everyone is on the same page. But I do think the plot came out of the CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile milieu after the Bay of Pigs.
I haven’t read Jim Marrs but I’m decently familiar with some of the material. Outside of Anthony Summers’ book everything I’ve read is post-early 90s declassifications as there was so much more information available to comb through. My favorites I’ve read include:
The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK - Peter Dale Scott
Oswald and the CIA - John Newman
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dick Russell
Destiny Betrayed - Jim DiEugenio
JFK and the Unspeakable - James Douglass
“Coup in Dallas” may interest you as it’s the only book I’m aware of that makes claim to naming the exact conspirators, backed with evidence. The problem is the evidence comes in the form of the scribbled notes in an intelligence operative’s datebook from 1963 and it’s probably never going to be authenticated one way or the other. It’s either the closest we’ll ever get to the truth or a complete fraud. But the context connecting the individuals named does absolutely line up so if it is a fraud, the person who did either knew the people involved or did a lot of exhaustive research long before anyone connected the dots.
That context adds an international dimension to the story, exposing what was essentially a post-WW2 right wing underworld linking the usual CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile connection to escaped Nazis, other European fascists and Texas oilmen who had mutual interests and investments. Even if the datebooks are forged, the context of it all is very real and makes it worth reading. It has long been contended that at least one of the shooters was a French assassin from a right wing terrorist group that targeted DeGaulle, and one of the key players named Otto Skorzeny was a Nazi commando who was later used to train assassination operations to Green Berets and other US military personnel headed for Vietnam.
Lol. That's the problem with much of the reading material. It's either a complete fraud or dead on. Just gotta use your best judgment and come up with what the truth appears to be.
My final thought is the CIA being the biggest players with Dulles leading the operation. Aside from the motorcade being changed there also seems to be evidence that the original Zapruder film was tampered with. Dino Brugioni was the chief information officer for the NPIC at the time of the assassination and he painted a picture about making prints for the film under order from the secret service and frames being altered overnight. The history is very verifiable. As far as the 6th floor, the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint is the most compelling thing that links LBJ to the assassination. Wallace was involved in several crimes that coincidentally involved LBJ in some way and a blank fingerprint taken from cardboard in the sniper's nest less than two hours after the assassination had a 34-point match to a fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace.
I haven't fully made up my mind about who any of the shooter(s) were, where exactly Oswald was, if he fired a shot, etc. But I assume you're talking about Lucien Sarti when you mention the French gunman. For the last 10+ years I've leaned toward him being the guy behind the picket fence that connected with the fatal shot. I haven't found anyone else to be compelling enough other than him to make me think someone else took that shot. Roscoe White is compelling, but I still lean Sarti and James Files is full of shit. I also don't think the shot came from "Badge Man" and I don't even know if Badge Man really exists. If you look at the famous Mary Moorman photo, I think the shot came from behind the fence but just out of frame to the left.
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:54 pm
I've weeded out my indifferences toward the mindset of people who support politicians I don't align my ideas with politically. And I also don't allow mob mentality to interfere with my interpretation of a politician's honesty in the pursuit of truth. You won't catch me anywhere near a political rally or anything resembling it, regardless of how strongly opinionated I may be on any of the subject matter.
Roe v. Wade being overturned was a good thing, in my opinion. The democrats and media used the spin that the Supreme Court is taking away a woman's right to choose when in reality they took away the federal government's stranglehold over a family's decision and relinquished it to the states. A child is the most beautiful thing on the planet and they've reduced babies to a rights issue. There is a glaring double standard that is never mentioned when it comes to the abortion issue and that is the father's say. It has become commonplace in today's world that only the mother should be able to choose whether or not to have the baby, while the father is forced to pay alimony if she does choose to carry the child. Unless this was rape, neither scenario is the business of the government. If it is 100% the mother's choice, then alimony should be 100% the father's choice. There are countless scenarios in which a woman becomes pregnant and we've been conditioned to think that the federal government should be involved in what goes on in every scenario of the bedroom. Our responsibilities are more important than our rights. A woman or a couple choosing to get an abortion is none of the federal government's business whatsoever. So that's kind of where my "good an honest values" quote came from. Responsibility before rights.
The reality to me is that the election in 2020 was almost certainly stolen for the democrats. There are photos and videos that youtube and google are suppressing in their algorithms that show poll watchers being locked out of the counting process, windows being boarded up and people pulling out boxes from underneath their tables and continuing the count in the middle of the night. If this was a fully free and fair election, then transparency is absolutely mandatory as it always has been. Never in our nation's history has it taken months to count votes except in 2020. The state of Pennsylvania in 2020 was called for Biden by a margin of 80,555 votes. Months after the election, there were 121,240 more votes than registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania, and this is according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. Pennsylvania is legally not allowed to certify an election based on this discrepancy, especially of this magnitude and it was certified anyway. Corrupt elites in swing states are blatantly ignoring state and federal laws and nothing is being done. The founding fathers would have been stacking bodies on day two of the counting process, let alone waiting until January to see whether an election was certified, so the fact that thousands of people "sacked the capitol" after gates were opened and people had to be encouraged to go in is the sign of a less than violent cult, if that's how we want to refer to them.
If by your logic abortion is none of the federal governments business then it's not the states business either. Yet we have states outright banning it (in the name of the Christian god) or making it damn near impossible for the woman to get it done. So here we are with the states getting directly involved with what goes on in peoples bedrooms. So again, if it's none of the federal governments business then it's NO governments business... period! But that's not what is happening here.
A child is the most beautiful thing? I disagree. But hey, that's just me and my opinion. (And I understand it's an unpopular one). Now I do agree with you about the alimony part.
As for the 2020 election, I won't get drawn into a conspiracy debate. Trump lost, simple as that and if you chose to believe such things that is your prerogative. But you will never convince me that MAGA doesn't have a cult like following and that it hasn't given a voice to backwards redneck , racist fucks like some of the pricks I ran into about 5 years ago. I understand not all Trump supporters are like the people I just described but the reality is those type DO exists and are a problem because they are impowered by his consistent rhetoric. So Yeah, I look forward to the day when the Trump Era is over and those white trash pieces of shit can crawl back into the caves they came out of.
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:54 pm
I've weeded out my indifferences toward the mindset of people who support politicians I don't align my ideas with politically. And I also don't allow mob mentality to interfere with my interpretation of a politician's honesty in the pursuit of truth. You won't catch me anywhere near a political rally or anything resembling it, regardless of how strongly opinionated I may be on any of the subject matter.
Roe v. Wade being overturned was a good thing, in my opinion. The democrats and media used the spin that the Supreme Court is taking away a woman's right to choose when in reality they took away the federal government's stranglehold over a family's decision and relinquished it to the states. A child is the most beautiful thing on the planet and they've reduced babies to a rights issue. There is a glaring double standard that is never mentioned when it comes to the abortion issue and that is the father's say. It has become commonplace in today's world that only the mother should be able to choose whether or not to have the baby, while the father is forced to pay alimony if she does choose to carry the child. Unless this was rape, neither scenario is the business of the government. If it is 100% the mother's choice, then alimony should be 100% the father's choice. There are countless scenarios in which a woman becomes pregnant and we've been conditioned to think that the federal government should be involved in what goes on in every scenario of the bedroom. Our responsibilities are more important than our rights. A woman or a couple choosing to get an abortion is none of the federal government's business whatsoever. So that's kind of where my "good an honest values" quote came from. Responsibility before rights.
The reality to me is that the election in 2020 was almost certainly stolen for the democrats. There are photos and videos that youtube and google are suppressing in their algorithms that show poll watchers being locked out of the counting process, windows being boarded up and people pulling out boxes from underneath their tables and continuing the count in the middle of the night. If this was a fully free and fair election, then transparency is absolutely mandatory as it always has been. Never in our nation's history has it taken months to count votes except in 2020. The state of Pennsylvania in 2020 was called for Biden by a margin of 80,555 votes. Months after the election, there were 121,240 more votes than registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania, and this is according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. Pennsylvania is legally not allowed to certify an election based on this discrepancy, especially of this magnitude and it was certified anyway. Corrupt elites in swing states are blatantly ignoring state and federal laws and nothing is being done. The founding fathers would have been stacking bodies on day two of the counting process, let alone waiting until January to see whether an election was certified, so the fact that thousands of people "sacked the capitol" after gates were opened and people had to be encouraged to go in is the sign of a less than violent cult, if that's how we want to refer to them.
If by your logic abortion is none of the federal governments business then it's not the states business either. Yet we have states outright banning it (in the name of the Christian god) or making it damn near impossible for the woman to get it done. So here we are with the states getting directly involved with what goes on in peoples bedrooms. So again, if it's none of the federal governments business then it's NO governments business... period! But that's not what is happening here.
A child is the most beautiful thing? I disagree. But hey, that's just me and my opinion. (And I understand it's an unpopular one). Now I do agree with you about the alimony part.
As for the 2020 election, I won't get drawn into a conspiracy debate. Trump lost, simple as that and if you chose to believe such things that is your prerogative. But you will never convince me that MAGA doesn't have a cult like following and that it hasn't given a voice to backwards redneck , racist fucks like some of the pricks I ran into about 5 years ago. I understand not all Trump supporters are like the people I just described but the reality is those type DO exists and are a problem because they are impowered by his consistent rhetoric. So Yeah, I look forward to the day when the Trump Era is over and those white trash pieces of shit can crawl back into the caves they came out of.
This is why it should be released to the states. People can vote and have a say in how their state is run as opposed to watching the federal government make all the decisions for them.
I didn't choose to believe the election was stolen, I just refuse to ignore the glaring oddities that many others choose to ignore because it goes against what they want to believe. I am only pursuing truth and that was the conclusion I came to. But are you saying you ran into some racist people five years ago and you allowed them to generalize your view of Trump supporters? Black voters are shifting in massive numbers from the democratic party to vote for Trump so if his platform is to give them a voice, I would imagine he would do the opposite of attracting the black vote.
Jason wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 3:54 pm
I've weeded out my indifferences toward the mindset of people who support politicians I don't align my ideas with politically. And I also don't allow mob mentality to interfere with my interpretation of a politician's honesty in the pursuit of truth. You won't catch me anywhere near a political rally or anything resembling it, regardless of how strongly opinionated I may be on any of the subject matter.
Roe v. Wade being overturned was a good thing, in my opinion. The democrats and media used the spin that the Supreme Court is taking away a woman's right to choose when in reality they took away the federal government's stranglehold over a family's decision and relinquished it to the states. A child is the most beautiful thing on the planet and they've reduced babies to a rights issue. There is a glaring double standard that is never mentioned when it comes to the abortion issue and that is the father's say. It has become commonplace in today's world that only the mother should be able to choose whether or not to have the baby, while the father is forced to pay alimony if she does choose to carry the child. Unless this was rape, neither scenario is the business of the government. If it is 100% the mother's choice, then alimony should be 100% the father's choice. There are countless scenarios in which a woman becomes pregnant and we've been conditioned to think that the federal government should be involved in what goes on in every scenario of the bedroom. Our responsibilities are more important than our rights. A woman or a couple choosing to get an abortion is none of the federal government's business whatsoever. So that's kind of where my "good an honest values" quote came from. Responsibility before rights.
The reality to me is that the election in 2020 was almost certainly stolen for the democrats. There are photos and videos that youtube and google are suppressing in their algorithms that show poll watchers being locked out of the counting process, windows being boarded up and people pulling out boxes from underneath their tables and continuing the count in the middle of the night. If this was a fully free and fair election, then transparency is absolutely mandatory as it always has been. Never in our nation's history has it taken months to count votes except in 2020. The state of Pennsylvania in 2020 was called for Biden by a margin of 80,555 votes. Months after the election, there were 121,240 more votes than registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania, and this is according to the Pennsylvania Department of State. Pennsylvania is legally not allowed to certify an election based on this discrepancy, especially of this magnitude and it was certified anyway. Corrupt elites in swing states are blatantly ignoring state and federal laws and nothing is being done. The founding fathers would have been stacking bodies on day two of the counting process, let alone waiting until January to see whether an election was certified, so the fact that thousands of people "sacked the capitol" after gates were opened and people had to be encouraged to go in is the sign of a less than violent cult, if that's how we want to refer to them.
If by your logic abortion is none of the federal governments business then it's not the states business either. Yet we have states outright banning it (in the name of the Christian god) or making it damn near impossible for the woman to get it done. So here we are with the states getting directly involved with what goes on in peoples bedrooms. So again, if it's none of the federal governments business then it's NO governments business... period! But that's not what is happening here.
A child is the most beautiful thing? I disagree. But hey, that's just me and my opinion. (And I understand it's an unpopular one). Now I do agree with you about the alimony part.
As for the 2020 election, I won't get drawn into a conspiracy debate. Trump lost, simple as that and if you chose to believe such things that is your prerogative. But you will never convince me that MAGA doesn't have a cult like following and that it hasn't given a voice to backwards redneck , racist fucks like some of the pricks I ran into about 5 years ago. I understand not all Trump supporters are like the people I just described but the reality is those type DO exists and are a problem because they are impowered by his consistent rhetoric. So Yeah, I look forward to the day when the Trump Era is over and those white trash pieces of shit can crawl back into the caves they came out of.
This is why it should be released to the states. People can vote and have a say in how their state is run as opposed to watching the federal government make all the decisions for them.
I didn't choose to believe the election was stolen, I just refuse to ignore the glaring oddities that many others choose to ignore because it goes against what they want to believe. I am only pursuing truth and that was the conclusion I came to. But are you saying you ran into some racist people five years ago and you allowed them to generalize your view of Trump supporters? Black voters are shifting in massive numbers from the democratic party to vote for Trump so if his platform is to give them a voice, I would imagine he would do the opposite of attracting the black vote.
The problem with that is there's states that are controlled by a Republican / Democratic hegemony. So the voters don't have a real say in anything. We don't because the system is broken. Texas is the perfect example of a corrupt state government. They we're actively trying to make it to where democratic areas like Houston votes would not count. How is that democracy? You should be asking yourself what team red is so afraid of that they have to keep jerrymandering districts to keep winning. On the other side, just look at California for a failed Democratic government. Cali will go bankrupt before long due to stupid policies such as wanting to pay reparations for shit that happened over 150 years ago.
I have ran into that type of scum on dozens of occasions in my lifetime and no they did not give me a generalized view of Trump supporters. I said earlier that I know not all Trump supporters act like those specific type of people. It's the ones that are that I don't like because I hate racists people. As for black voters jumping to Trump, I am in an interracial relationship and I can tell you that is bullshit!
Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:32 pm
I personally think LBJ knew immediately what happened and knew he needed to play ball. I just don’t think anyone is signing off on being a sitting duck in a crossfire if they were in on the plan. In 1967, he privately told an aide he believed the CIA had been involved. Curious if Robert Caro’s final LBJ book reveals any of his thinking, if Caro is still alive to finish it.
I don’t think the Mafia were the largest players, i think the CIA was. And I think that extends into the general national security apparatus, as there needed to be some level of coordination with Secret Service and likely the FBI as well. Something like that could be compartmentalized pretty easily and you only need a handful of links in that chain to make sure everyone is on the same page. But I do think the plot came out of the CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile milieu after the Bay of Pigs.
I haven’t read Jim Marrs but I’m decently familiar with some of the material. Outside of Anthony Summers’ book everything I’ve read is post-early 90s declassifications as there was so much more information available to comb through. My favorites I’ve read include:
The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK - Peter Dale Scott
Oswald and the CIA - John Newman
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dick Russell
Destiny Betrayed - Jim DiEugenio
JFK and the Unspeakable - James Douglass
“Coup in Dallas” may interest you as it’s the only book I’m aware of that makes claim to naming the exact conspirators, backed with evidence. The problem is the evidence comes in the form of the scribbled notes in an intelligence operative’s datebook from 1963 and it’s probably never going to be authenticated one way or the other. It’s either the closest we’ll ever get to the truth or a complete fraud. But the context connecting the individuals named does absolutely line up so if it is a fraud, the person who did either knew the people involved or did a lot of exhaustive research long before anyone connected the dots.
That context adds an international dimension to the story, exposing what was essentially a post-WW2 right wing underworld linking the usual CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile connection to escaped Nazis, other European fascists and Texas oilmen who had mutual interests and investments. Even if the datebooks are forged, the context of it all is very real and makes it worth reading. It has long been contended that at least one of the shooters was a French assassin from a right wing terrorist group that targeted DeGaulle, and one of the key players named Otto Skorzeny was a Nazi commando who was later used to train assassination operations to Green Berets and other US military personnel headed for Vietnam.
Lol. That's the problem with much of the reading material. It's either a complete fraud or dead on. Just gotta use your best judgment and come up with what the truth appears to be.
My final thought is the CIA being the biggest players with Dulles leading the operation. Aside from the motorcade being changed there also seems to be evidence that the original Zapruder film was tampered with. Dino Brugioni was the chief information officer for the NPIC at the time of the assassination and he painted a picture about making prints for the film under order from the secret service and frames being altered overnight. The history is very verifiable. As far as the 6th floor, the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint is the most compelling thing that links LBJ to the assassination. Wallace was involved in several crimes that coincidentally involved LBJ in some way and a blank fingerprint taken from cardboard in the sniper's nest less than two hours after the assassination had a 34-point match to a fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace.
I haven't fully made up my mind about who any of the shooter(s) were, where exactly Oswald was, if he fired a shot, etc. But I assume you're talking about Lucien Sarti when you mention the French gunman. For the last 10+ years I've leaned toward him being the guy behind the picket fence that connected with the fatal shot. I haven't found anyone else to be compelling enough other than him to make me think someone else took that shot. Roscoe White is compelling, but I still lean Sarti and James Files is full of shit. I also don't think the shot came from "Badge Man" and I don't even know if Badge Man really exists. If you look at the famous Mary Moorman photo, I think the shot came from behind the fence but just out of frame to the left.
The French shooter I believe was Jean Rene Souetre (or someone identifying themselves as Souetre). He was apprehended in Fort Worth the day of the assassination and deported over the Mexican border. This became a big deal when DeGaulle made a state visit to Mexico and French intelligence realized the Americans had allowed him to enter Mexico without informing them. He had previously targeted DeGaulle in assassination attempts working with the OAS (the CIA was also trying to take out DeGaulle, they had a relationship with the OAS).
Headhunter wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 5:32 pm
I personally think LBJ knew immediately what happened and knew he needed to play ball. I just don’t think anyone is signing off on being a sitting duck in a crossfire if they were in on the plan. In 1967, he privately told an aide he believed the CIA had been involved. Curious if Robert Caro’s final LBJ book reveals any of his thinking, if Caro is still alive to finish it.
I don’t think the Mafia were the largest players, i think the CIA was. And I think that extends into the general national security apparatus, as there needed to be some level of coordination with Secret Service and likely the FBI as well. Something like that could be compartmentalized pretty easily and you only need a handful of links in that chain to make sure everyone is on the same page. But I do think the plot came out of the CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile milieu after the Bay of Pigs.
I haven’t read Jim Marrs but I’m decently familiar with some of the material. Outside of Anthony Summers’ book everything I’ve read is post-early 90s declassifications as there was so much more information available to comb through. My favorites I’ve read include:
The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi
Deep Politics and the Death of JFK - Peter Dale Scott
Oswald and the CIA - John Newman
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dick Russell
Destiny Betrayed - Jim DiEugenio
JFK and the Unspeakable - James Douglass
“Coup in Dallas” may interest you as it’s the only book I’m aware of that makes claim to naming the exact conspirators, backed with evidence. The problem is the evidence comes in the form of the scribbled notes in an intelligence operative’s datebook from 1963 and it’s probably never going to be authenticated one way or the other. It’s either the closest we’ll ever get to the truth or a complete fraud. But the context connecting the individuals named does absolutely line up so if it is a fraud, the person who did either knew the people involved or did a lot of exhaustive research long before anyone connected the dots.
That context adds an international dimension to the story, exposing what was essentially a post-WW2 right wing underworld linking the usual CIA/Mafia/Cuban exile connection to escaped Nazis, other European fascists and Texas oilmen who had mutual interests and investments. Even if the datebooks are forged, the context of it all is very real and makes it worth reading. It has long been contended that at least one of the shooters was a French assassin from a right wing terrorist group that targeted DeGaulle, and one of the key players named Otto Skorzeny was a Nazi commando who was later used to train assassination operations to Green Berets and other US military personnel headed for Vietnam.
Lol. That's the problem with much of the reading material. It's either a complete fraud or dead on. Just gotta use your best judgment and come up with what the truth appears to be.
My final thought is the CIA being the biggest players with Dulles leading the operation. Aside from the motorcade being changed there also seems to be evidence that the original Zapruder film was tampered with. Dino Brugioni was the chief information officer for the NPIC at the time of the assassination and he painted a picture about making prints for the film under order from the secret service and frames being altered overnight. The history is very verifiable. As far as the 6th floor, the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint is the most compelling thing that links LBJ to the assassination. Wallace was involved in several crimes that coincidentally involved LBJ in some way and a blank fingerprint taken from cardboard in the sniper's nest less than two hours after the assassination had a 34-point match to a fingerprint of Malcolm Wallace.
I haven't fully made up my mind about who any of the shooter(s) were, where exactly Oswald was, if he fired a shot, etc. But I assume you're talking about Lucien Sarti when you mention the French gunman. For the last 10+ years I've leaned toward him being the guy behind the picket fence that connected with the fatal shot. I haven't found anyone else to be compelling enough other than him to make me think someone else took that shot. Roscoe White is compelling, but I still lean Sarti and James Files is full of shit. I also don't think the shot came from "Badge Man" and I don't even know if Badge Man really exists. If you look at the famous Mary Moorman photo, I think the shot came from behind the fence but just out of frame to the left.
The French shooter I believe was Jean Rene Souetre (or someone identifying themselves as Souetre). He was apprehended in Fort Worth the day of the assassination and deported over the Mexican border. This became a big deal when DeGaulle made a state visit to Mexico and French intelligence realized the Americans had allowed him to enter Mexico without informing them. He had previously targeted DeGaulle in assassination attempts working with the OAS (the CIA was also trying to take out DeGaulle, they had a relationship with the OAS).
WTF... the French gunman I suspect also went to Mexico and was killed there in 1972. Weird.
Headhunter wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:15 pm
I don’t believe women in Alabama should have less reproductive rights just because they lost the birthplace lottery.
And let’s be real. What the evangelical right really wants is a federal abortion ban.
The democrats forced RFK out of their party and off their ballot, and the moment he ended his campaign and announced support for Trump they decided they're going to force him to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate against his will in order to save democracy.
Democrats actively fight against ballot access for Jill Stein, Claudia De la Cruz, and Cornel West (because they're anti-democratic pieces of trash) while they're okay with RKF Jr. maintaining his ballot line in Wisconsin because - well, they're pieces of trash.
Claudia De la Cruz 2024. Bought a T-shirt from her campaign, hoping to see her get at least 100,000 votes come November.
As of this post I am formally exiting this thread. It's increasingly becoming a headache trying to keep up with it. There's way too many side bar conversations and it's so far off topic now, that we're getting into conspiracy theories and all sorts of shit that I have no interest in. lol
That being said I want everyone to know that I respect their views and beliefs even if I don't agree with them. Politics is a topic that I rarely discuss even in my own home because it is soo divisive. I try my best to be someone who's a centrist when the topic comes up but that has become more difficult for me in recent years due to the craziness coming from the GOP. But, I have enjoyed some of the discussions that I had here with Zombie regarding LGBTQ rights and with Jason, Jiggy, & Headhunter over various political issues.
Jigsaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:26 am
Democrats actively fight against ballot access for Jill Stein, Claudia De la Cruz, and Cornel West (because they're anti-democratic pieces of trash) while they're okay with RKF Jr. maintaining his ballot line in Wisconsin because - well, they're pieces of trash.
Claudia De la Cruz 2024. Bought a T-shirt from her campaign, hoping to see her get at least 100,000 votes come November.
Well yeah. It’s a zero sum game for Republicans and Democrats and RFK being on the ballot helps Democrats.
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:56 am
The democrats forced RFK out of their party and off their ballot, and the moment he ended his campaign and announced support for Trump they decided they're going to force him to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate against his will in order to save democracy.
lol
Should be noted that RFK Jr. also lobbied the Harris campaign for a role, they just turned him down.
The Trump campaign would love for everyone to think RFK Jr. is on the ticket because JD Vance has been an absolute disaster for them. They never would have picked him if they knew Biden wouldn’t be the nominee.
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:56 am
The democrats forced RFK out of their party and off their ballot, and the moment he ended his campaign and announced support for Trump they decided they're going to force him to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate against his will in order to save democracy.
lol
Should be noted that RFK Jr. also lobbied the Harris campaign for a role, they just turned him down.
The Trump campaign would love for everyone to think RFK Jr. is on the ticket because JD Vance has been an absolute disaster for them. They never would have picked him if they knew Biden wouldn’t be the nominee.
Yeah. When it comes to politics, every political move has to be a calculated one. RFK is an expert litigator. He reached out to the Dems so it would be on record, while knowing full well they would turn him down, and that gives him the advantage to be able to say the Democrats are the only party who isn't willing to play ball. He cornered them, he may have never even intended to stay in as a third party candidate.
I think they went with Vance because of the failed assassination and his military background. I don't see anything resembling disaster, though. On the other end they're doing a good job of keeping Kamala hidden because she is just god awful. When she does pop out she steals Trump's campaign promises which is just hilarious. The dems are just insane. Even Zuckerborg has come out and admitted that he censored free speech on facebook and suppressed content harmful to the democrats at their request (Biden laptop, etc...)
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:56 am
The democrats forced RFK out of their party and off their ballot, and the moment he ended his campaign and announced support for Trump they decided they're going to force him to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate against his will in order to save democracy.
lol
Should be noted that RFK Jr. also lobbied the Harris campaign for a role, they just turned him down.
The Trump campaign would love for everyone to think RFK Jr. is on the ticket because JD Vance has been an absolute disaster for them. They never would have picked him if they knew Biden wouldn’t be the nominee.
Yeah. When it comes to politics, every political move has to be a calculated one. RFK is an expert litigator. He reached out to the Dems so it would be on record, while knowing full well they would turn him down, and that gives him the advantage to be able to say the Democrats are the only party who isn't willing to play ball. He cornered them, he may have never even intended to stay in as a third party candidate.
I think they went with Vance because of the failed assassination and his military background. I don't see anything resembling disaster, though. On the other end they're doing a good job of keeping Kamala hidden because she is just god awful. When she does pop out she steals Trump's campaign promises which is just hilarious. The dems are just insane. Even Zuckerborg has come out and admitted that he censored free speech on facebook and suppressed content harmful to the democrats at their request (Biden laptop, etc...)
JD Vance had a negative favorability rating when he was chosen and it has gotten continually worse to the point where it is now the worst of any VP candidate in history. It’s a disaster. It’s impossible for him to come across as likable in any context.
Jason wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:56 am
The democrats forced RFK out of their party and off their ballot, and the moment he ended his campaign and announced support for Trump they decided they're going to force him to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate against his will in order to save democracy.
lol
Should be noted that RFK Jr. also lobbied the Harris campaign for a role, they just turned him down.
The Trump campaign would love for everyone to think RFK Jr. is on the ticket because JD Vance has been an absolute disaster for them. They never would have picked him if they knew Biden wouldn’t be the nominee.
Yeah. When it comes to politics, every political move has to be a calculated one. RFK is an expert litigator. He reached out to the Dems so it would be on record, while knowing full well they would turn him down, and that gives him the advantage to be able to say the Democrats are the only party who isn't willing to play ball. He cornered them, he may have never even intended to stay in as a third party candidate.
I think they went with Vance because of the failed assassination and his military background. I don't see anything resembling disaster, though. On the other end they're doing a good job of keeping Kamala hidden because she is just god awful. When she does pop out she steals Trump's campaign promises which is just hilarious. The dems are just insane. Even Zuckerborg has come out and admitted that he censored free speech on facebook and suppressed content harmful to the democrats at their request (Biden laptop, etc...)
JD Vance had a negative favorability rating when he was chosen and it has gotten continually worse to the point where it is now the worst of any VP candidate in history. It’s a disaster. It’s impossible for him to come across as likable in any context.
Can you cite what you're reading? I've found no real up or down in terms of favorability regarding Vance, but at the same time it's really hard to get an accurate read of a polling aggregate, especially if it's state polling, whether it's regarding candidate favorability, likely voter outcome, etc....
I think Trump picked his VP about two weeks too early. Who's to say it'll make a big difference, but picking his VP before Biden handed the campaign to Harris is perhaps the biggest mistake of the campaign.
