7.8.18

[zombie]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

[zombie]

even take you and me or jason and me, whoever. we grew up in more or less the same span of time. how much do we differ on the art that we like? how much do we differ on what we like about the art that we have in common?

I would say we don't differ as much as you imply, and in large part because of selection bias due to the fact we are all here.

Btw, think it is a coincidence that aside from a few outliers, basically everyone who has ever been an hmf regular are from the same era? As in, our cinematic experiences were largely born of the 1980s and VHS and transitioning into DVD. It is not coincidence.

what do you mean about selection bias?

it might not be coincidence that we are all, of the 1980s, pretty much. but our tastes still vary quite a lot. will you watch amelie with me?

Only if you find a dubbed version.

if we did watch it, you would probably barely stomach it. and i am sure that i would find some of your favorites the same way.

i still wanna know what you meant with the whole selection bias thing. in relation to hmf members? like we choose to talk up our differences more or what?

[Foo]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

You are old now. Just the fact that you said you "own" a movie is a giveaway. It is like buying albums.

[zombie]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

You are old now. Just the fact that you said you "own" a movie is a giveaway. It is like buying albums.

my teenaged sister still owns some movies. she must be old too.

[Foo]

even take you and me or jason and me, whoever. we grew up in more or less the same span of time. how much do we differ on the art that we like? how much do we differ on what we like about the art that we have in common?

I would say we don't differ as much as you imply, and in large part because of selection bias due to the fact we are all here.

Btw, think it is a coincidence that aside from a few outliers, basically everyone who has ever been an hmf regular are from the same era? As in, our cinematic experiences were largely born of the 1980s and VHS and transitioning into DVD. It is not coincidence.

what do you mean about selection bias?

it might not be coincidence that we are all, of the 1980s, pretty much. but our tastes still vary quite a lot. will you watch amelie with me?

Only if you find a dubbed version.

if we did watch it, you would probably barely stomach it. and i am sure that i would find some of your favorites the same way.

i still wanna know what you meant with the whole selection bias thing. in relation to hmf members? like we choose to talk up our differences more or what?

We chose to be in a niche message board dedicated to a genre. Every single person here has a lot more in common than two random joes.

[zombie]

We chose to be in a niche message board dedicated to a genre. Every single person here has a lot more in common than two random joes.

i don't disagree with that. in addition to coming up at around the same time, we do have a love for the horror genre in common. but that was part of my point. even us, with so much in common, both age-wise and our interests have a lot of variance in what we appreciate and how / why we appreciate it.

there would be a lot of art that you couldn't market to both of us in the same way. or even at all, maybe.

[Foo]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

You are old now. Just the fact that you said you "own" a movie is a giveaway. It is like buying albums.

my teenaged sister still owns some movies. she must be old too.

Your teenage sister will never know our struggle to see movies pre-internet. Black Christmas was almost a myth to me at age 20. I know I saw it as a kid (or at least parts) and I read reviews in many movie guides. The mom and pop video stores had closed, leaving behind Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, neither of which had it. As the Internet blossomed, more and more discussion about it was had, but it still eluded me. Our own Reign sent me a copy, which is how I finally saw it as an adult.

I remember paying like $30 for a copy of Mothers Day at a time when I really shouldn't have spent that much, I saw it at FYI in a mall, remembered little more than the characters in it, and feared never finding it again.

[zombie]

Your teenage sister will never know our struggle to see movies pre-internet. Black Christmas was almost a myth to me at age 20. I know I saw it as a kid (or at least parts) and I read reviews in many movie guides. The mom and pop video stores had closed, leaving behind Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, neither of which had it. As the Internet blossomed, more and more discussion about it was had, but it still eluded me. Our own Reign sent me a copy, which is how I finally saw it as an adult.

I remember paying like $30 for a copy of Mothers Day at a time when I really shouldn't have spent that much, I saw it at FYI in a mall, remembered little more than the characters in it, and feared never finding it again.

if she'll never know that struggle out of disinterest, then that's a bad thing. if she won't, because everything is so available. that can't be a bad thing, right?

but still, i think you're wrong. if she has a serious actual interest in it, there will be things that will be like myth to her, or her generation, too.

[Foo]

We chose to be in a niche message board dedicated to a genre. Every single person here has a lot more in common than two random joes.

i don't disagree with that. in addition to coming up at around the same time, we do have a love for the horror genre in common. but that was part of my point. even us, with so much in common, both age-wise and our interests have a lot of variance in what we appreciate and how / why we appreciate it.

there would be a lot of art that you couldn't market to both of us in the same way. or even at all, maybe.

Of course there are differences from person to person, but your DVD collection would overlap far more with mine than it would with some strangers. Vast interest in horror, we both like comic book adaptations, we both like Kevin Smith, etc. let's look at statistical probability, we could probably find three dvds in common with each other that less than 1% of people own. That is a fairly strong set of shared interests.

[Foo]

Your teenage sister will never know our struggle to see movies pre-internet. Black Christmas was almost a myth to me at age 20. I know I saw it as a kid (or at least parts) and I read reviews in many movie guides. The mom and pop video stores had closed, leaving behind Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, neither of which had it. As the Internet blossomed, more and more discussion about it was had, but it still eluded me. Our own Reign sent me a copy, which is how I finally saw it as an adult.

I remember paying like $30 for a copy of Mothers Day at a time when I really shouldn't have spent that much, I saw it at FYI in a mall, remembered little more than the characters in it, and feared never finding it again.

if she'll never know that struggle out of disinterest, then that's a bad thing. if she won't, because everything is so available. that can't be a bad thing, right?

but still, i think you're wrong. if she has a serious actual interest in it, there will be things that will be like myth to her, or her generation, too.

It is just the way things have changed. Between the internet and a brother who has obsessively collected and/or observed genre films for many years, there simply cannot be that level of mystery.

Around 1996 I saw a movie on cable late at night. It was Psycho Cop 2. Loved it. I think it took me two more years to see it again and 5 more years to see the original. Out of curiousity, I just looked up both on YouTube in 3 minutes.

[Foo]

Have you ever noticed how fucking hard many classic NES games are? This is because most kids got like two games at Christmas and they had to last. Now kids just jump from game to game. They aren't gonna spend all week trying to get past a level, they just try a different game.

Culture has changed.

[Jason]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

You are old now. Just the fact that you said you "own" a movie is a giveaway. It is like buying albums.

my teenaged sister still owns some movies. she must be old too.

Your teenage sister will never know our struggle to see movies pre-internet. Black Christmas was almost a myth to me at age 20. I know I saw it as a kid (or at least parts) and I read reviews in many movie guides. The mom and pop video stores had closed, leaving behind Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, neither of which had it. As the Internet blossomed, more and more discussion about it was had, but it still eluded me. Our own Reign sent me a copy, which is how I finally saw it as an adult.

I remember paying like $30 for a copy of Mothers Day at a time when I really shouldn't have spent that much, I saw it at FYI in a mall, remembered little more than the characters in it, and feared never finding it again.

My Dad always told me a scary story from his childhood about the time that he and his Dad went to a theater to watch Let's Scare Jessica to Death. My Dad was not one for telling scary stories or anything, but he told this one often, and in campfire style like the opening scenes in Madman or Friday the 13th Part 2. So this story was always special to me, growing up. Because I loved horror.

The story goes that my Dad was about 12 or 13, and his Dad would sometimes pick him up from his Mom's house and take him cross country for work. Apparently my Gramps owned a little trailer by a lake, somewhere in Colorado methinks? My Dad woke up and heard him driving off for work in the middle of the night, he looked out the window and saw the lake, and the lake, with the moon silhouetted in the water of the lake, looked exactly like the same lake and woods from the movie. He dealt with this every morning for days and would hide under the covers until daylight, terrified of the movie.

Point being, no rental store had it, no movie stores had it. I found it on the internet after I grew up and bought it on DVD, and we watched it together. I was dying to see that movie, but never thought I would.

[Havok]

This has been a great read.

[Jason]

we could probably find three dvds in common with each other that less than 1% of people own. That is a fairly strong set of shared interests.

And that's why I dedicate this song to everyone on HMF <3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2xvqZJWBk&t=36s

[DancesWithWerewolves]

Have you ever noticed how fucking hard many classic NES games are? This is because most kids got like two games at Christmas and they had to last. Now kids just jump from game to game. They aren't gonna spend all week trying to get past a level, they just try a different game.

Culture has changed.

SNES games are pretty damn hard too (certain ones).

Now, games don't make you work to get to the next thing, they're basically like choose-your-own-adventure books now. Alli's been playing a few of them.

[Havok]

I had a pretty great neighbor that always talked Horror with me. Introduced me to Zombie 2, Demons, Zipperface, Tourist Trap, Shockwaves, Deathdream and so many more films that hardly anybody knew about really at the time. Plus, the fact that I had some great video stores with some insane VHS to rent growing up. Not too many teenagers are gonna go out of there way to remember and have fond memories of the film Satanic Attraction.

Like it's been mentioned, the Horror becomes a part of the person more so than others. We live the lifestyle and appreciate or understand the genre differently than a more casual movie watcher because at a young age something clicked and it's never left us.

[zombie]

Of course there are differences from person to person, but your DVD collection would overlap far more with mine than it would with some strangers. Vast interest in horror, we both like comic book adaptations, we both like Kevin Smith, etc. let's look at statistical probability, we could probably find three dvds in common with each other that less than 1% of people own. That is a fairly strong set of shared interests.

i think that's probably true of any subset of serious dedicated fans of any genre or type of art? if you're really into new wave or punk, you're gonna own a few items in common with other fans of that subgenre that most other people may not be even aware of at all, let alone own.

but also you have to look at what draws us to what we love. that has a lot of variance too. even our more casual interests (those outside of horror) vary a lot, despite our generational similarities. there is so much subjectiveness to our interests, that there is a lot of variance between even you and i. of course it's going to be wider between me and non-thirty or forty something horror fans.

[zombie]

Not even kidding, in particular, The Godfather 2 was hailed for two decades as the height of cinematic art. It became the new Citizen Kane, the measuring stick by which all others are judged.

How many people under 30 have seen it? Would someone with a huge interest in film of mafia movies have seen it? The odds are much more likely, but for the average 30 year old slapdick? Maybe 1%.

if they have more than a casual interest in film... in all film, not just a specific genre that excludes the godfather, then chances are that they have seen it, or have it on their list. if they are just casual movie watchers, then probably not.

We live in a world where Madea is far more well known that Don Corleone.

i haven't seen a single madea movie. i've seen (and own) the first two godfathers.

You are old now. Just the fact that you said you "own" a movie is a giveaway. It is like buying albums.

my teenaged sister still owns some movies. she must be old too.

Your teenage sister will never know our struggle to see movies pre-internet. Black Christmas was almost a myth to me at age 20. I know I saw it as a kid (or at least parts) and I read reviews in many movie guides. The mom and pop video stores had closed, leaving behind Hollywood Video and Blockbuster, neither of which had it. As the Internet blossomed, more and more discussion about it was had, but it still eluded me. Our own Reign sent me a copy, which is how I finally saw it as an adult.

I remember paying like $30 for a copy of Mothers Day at a time when I really shouldn't have spent that much, I saw it at FYI in a mall, remembered little more than the characters in it, and feared never finding it again.

My Dad always told me a scary story from his childhood about the time that he and his Dad went to a theater to watch Let's Scare Jessica to Death. My Dad was not one for telling scary stories or anything, but he told this one often, and in campfire style like the opening scenes in Madman or Friday the 13th Part 2. So this story was always special to me, growing up. Because I loved horror.

The story goes that my Dad was about 12 or 13, and his Dad would sometimes pick him up from his Mom's house and take him cross country for work. Apparently my Gramps owned a little trailer by a lake, somewhere in Colorado methinks? My Dad woke up and heard him driving off for work in the middle of the night, he looked out the window and saw the lake, and the lake, with the moon silhouetted in the water of the lake, looked exactly like the same lake and woods from the movie. He dealt with this every morning for days and would hide under the covers until daylight, terrified of the movie.

Point being, no rental store had it, no movie stores had it. I found it on the internet after I grew up and bought it on DVD, and we watched it together. I was dying to see that movie, but never thought I would.

i like that story. pretty touching.

but i think i found let's scare jessica to death at an fye in florida. still, you guys talked up movies that i hadn't heard of and weren't really available yet at that time, so i know that feeling.

[zombie]

we could probably find three dvds in common with each other that less than 1% of people own. That is a fairly strong set of shared interests.

And that's why I dedicate this song to everyone on HMF <3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2xvqZJWBk&t=36s

he fox and the hound! if only reign were here now.

[Jason]

we could probably find three dvds in common with each other that less than 1% of people own. That is a fairly strong set of shared interests.

And that's why I dedicate this song to everyone on HMF <3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vA2xvqZJWBk&t=36s

he fox and the hound! if only reign were here now.

He'd cry, for sure.