Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 5:18 pm
I don't think a large percentage of any politician's supporters are psychopaths. People operate differently on social media than they do in the every day world and it easily clouds our judgment of human beings. My best friend died in Afghanistan in 2009. He has a brother that I still try to keep in touch with because I love his family. They are divided politically and my friend's brother despises Trump more than anybody you've ever seen. His social media posts could easily be read as though he's a psychopathic Trump hater, but when he and I are in person and we occasionally speak about politics, it is an unbelievably civil discussion with two people of opposing viewpoints genuinely interested in each other's perception of the political climate. I have family posting on social media that anyone supporting Trump are horrible people and to unfriend them immediately, family or not.
if you actually consider trump to be working against evil people, then how can you not get upset or frustrated when talking to people who oppose him or give support to those that you view to be evil? i'm genuinely curious, cause i have problems with political disagreements myself. both here and in person.
I don't think it's possible to respect an opposing viewpoint if you can't admit to yourself that your own could be wrong. In politics it's common for people to act as though they know everything which I think is what leads to these raging disagreements. We can firmly believe that we're correct and still be civil about those who oppose our views, but we have to admit to ourselves that we only know or hear about what they tell us in our news sources and it's up to us to use our best judgment to decipher the truth. Nobody truly knows. I think that's what makes it easier for me to not allow politics to warp my view of someone. I can very easily be wrong about Trump. My main goal is just the pursuit of truth.
you don't tend to talk in a way that seems cautious or uncertain of your position around here. do you when you're talking to friends or family in person, then?
I don't know shit. Really none of us truly do. However, your judgment of the political climate could be more in line with the truth of it than mine and I have to be able to admit that to myself, if I am going to be at peace with your views. I don't express my views with uncertainty, but I do believe my views to be at least somewhat in line with the truth, so I may express it with more confidence because of that.
okay. well, fair enough. i'll try to keep that in mind.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:46 pm
by Jason
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:33 am
by Reign in Blood
Jason wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:47 pm
We can firmly believe that we're correct and still be civil about those who oppose our views
No. If anyone believes one iota of Newsom's bitch ass, I will shit in your mouth and punch it shut.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:01 am
by Tiggnutz
Support who you like it's as simple as that. Except for Newsome who may or may not be some sort of commie lizard-alien
I will never vote for Trump, period!
I don't hate him, I don't even dislike him but a large percent of his supporters are psychopaths and/or just Crazy as Slaughter pointed out and I can't stand them. Secondly, I've already seen how a Trump Administration works and it was filled with chaos and drama. I expect a second term would be a repeat. So, No thanks!
I respect you support him and the GOP (from what I've seen) and I know you're a good dude and all.
That being said, I fucking hate the GOP and how insane they have become over the past 6 years or so.
And I don't much like the Dems either with their own craziness.
I'll be sitting this one out.
I don't necessarily support the GOP. I originally called myself a Conservative but as I've grown to get a better understanding of the political spectrum, I realized I'm more of a right leaning libertarian more than anything else. I think a large portion of both the Democrats and Republicans (in government, not citizens) are uni-partyists who are in it for their own self interest, which I am totally against. I used to think it was only the democrats that were corrupt, but it was actually Trump who basically confirmed my suspicions that the corruption runs deep throughout all of Washington.
I don't think a large percentage of any politician's supporters are psychopaths. People operate differently on social media than they do in the every day world and it easily clouds our judgment of human beings. My best friend died in Afghanistan in 2009. He has a brother that I still try to keep in touch with because I love his family. They are divided politically and my friend's brother despises Trump more than anybody you've ever seen. His social media posts could easily be read as though he's a psychopathic Trump hater, but when he and I are in person and we occasionally speak about politics, it is an unbelievably civil discussion with two people of opposing viewpoints genuinely interested in each other's perception of the political climate. I have family posting on social media that anyone supporting Trump are horrible people and to unfriend them immediately, family or not.
I'm of the opinion that every person with a political opinion has the responsibility to not allow someone's judgment of the political climate dictate how others should be viewed as a person. "Fiery but peaceful disagreements"!
From I recall seeing over the years you seemed to heavily support the GOP. But it's easy to make assumptions when one is conversing online. So, that's my bad.
There are people who act out in RL just as they do online. When the Proud Boys and those other groups sacked the capital a few years ago (because Trump refused to accept he lost the election) is a good example, the unite the right rally, the Floyd riots are examples of others. All politically driven. Perhaps psychopath was the wrong choice of words. But people tend to get caught up in their emotions and react on them without doing real research into the facts, instead they believe whatever they see online or in the media. But I like the example you gave here about your friends brother and how he hates Trump but can have a civil discussion. I wish more people could be like that.
My family has been severely divided since the 2016 election. It's to the point now that very few can get together without someone starting the argument. I quit going to family functions after Thanksgiving in 2018 because of how bad it turned out.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:20 am
by Lazerus
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:01 am
Support who you like it's as simple as that. Except for Newsome who may or may not be some sort of commie lizard-alien
He's just a fucking idiot who makes my generation look bad.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:59 pm
by DancesWithWerewolves
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:01 am
Support who you like it's as simple as that. Except for Newsome who may or may not be some sort of commie lizard-alien
He's the greasy shady used car salesman of the political hellscape.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:33 pm
by Jason
I've honestly not met a single human being that liked Newsom, so I guess that really says a lot.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:20 pm
by DancesWithWerewolves
I wanted to like him, but when the lockdowns happened and his hypocrisy exposed (seriously, telling us to not run our AC during the hot as fuck summer to save power, while he's wearing a sweater in a very clearly air-conditioned room? Fuck off!), it's been a downward spiral of trash.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 12:09 am
by Jason
DancesWithWerewolves wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:20 pm
I wanted to like him, but when the lockdowns happened and his hypocrisy exposed (seriously, telling us to not run our AC during the hot as fuck summer to save power, while he's wearing a sweater in a very clearly air-conditioned room? Fuck off!), it's been a downward spiral of trash.
While also mandating electric vehicles despite massive power shortages. Lol.
Nobody has portrayed themselves with an I'm-better-than-you mentality more than Gavin Newsom. And he truly doesn't give a shit if you know it either.
Tiggnutz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 6:01 am
Support who you like it's as simple as that. Except for Newsome who may or may not be some sort of commie lizard-alien
He's the greasy shady used car salesman of the political hellscape.
Him, DeSantis, Trump, AOC (and the rest of the so called Squad), Marjorie Taylor Green, Vance etc. They're all examples of what is wrong with the political hellscape (as you call it). We keep electing these stupid idiots who don't accomplish anything for the people. They instead focus on extremism or just playing identity politics which only results in more chaos.
Newsome and DeSantis are the two worst IMO with MTG right behind them.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 11:18 am
by Tiggnutz
It would be easier to list decent politicians than the self serving clowns in government. Larry Hogan and I'm warming to senator John Fetterman. That's it for me offhand
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:42 pm
by Headhunter
Fetterman is a disgusting ogre who had to be locked up in a military hospital for being too sad. They had to change Congress rules so he wouldn’t keep coming to work dressed like a hobo. He’s a self-aggrandizing joke just like 90% of these people
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:48 pm
by Headhunter
Governors on the whole seem to be the most normal and competent politicians. Newsom is just a sleazeball.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 5:31 am
by Tiggnutz
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:42 pm
Fetterman is a disgusting ogre who had to be locked up in a military hospital for being too sad. They had to change Congress rules so he wouldn’t keep coming to work dressed like a hobo. He’s a self-aggrandizing joke just like 90% of these people
He's weird but I think he understands normal everyday people better than most and he's not afraid to upset his own party. More politicians should think for themselves and not just toe the line
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:10 pm
by Headhunter
Trump: “You have to get out and vote. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore.. In four years, you won’t have to vote again.”
Headhunter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 8:42 pm
Fetterman is a disgusting ogre who had to be locked up in a military hospital for being too sad. They had to change Congress rules so he wouldn’t keep coming to work dressed like a hobo. He’s a self-aggrandizing joke just like 90% of these people
He's weird but I think he understands normal everyday people better than most and he's not afraid to upset his own party. More politicians should think for themselves and not just toe the line
There’s thinking for yourself and there’s betraying the trust of your constituents who helped you get elected.
Re: Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:24 pm
by Jason
Headhunter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:10 pm
Trump: “You have to get out and vote. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore.. In four years, you won’t have to vote again.”
How should a statement like this be interpreted?
So I happened to listen to a portion of that speech a little bit ago where he kept remarking about Christians generally turning out in very low numbers when it comes to elections, and he basically made a series of small pitches to them throughout the speech (and kind of joking around with them as though they just don't feel like getting out and voting) and explaining to them that this election is an important one and if there was one election where their turnout was important it would be this one, etc...
So the quote that was out of context looks like gibberish but when you listen to a lot of that speech and you finally get to that quote, he's just goofing around with Christians who never show up to elections.
"And again, Christians, get out and vote! Just this time! You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years it'll be fixed, it'll be fine, you won't have to vote anymore. In four years we'll have it fixed so good you won't have to vote again".
Headhunter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:10 pm
Trump: “You have to get out and vote. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore.. In four years, you won’t have to vote again.”
How should a statement like this be interpreted?
So I happened to listen to a portion of that speech a little bit ago where he kept remarking about Christians generally turning out in very low numbers when it comes to elections, and he basically made a series of small pitches to them throughout the speech (and kind of joking around with them as though they just don't feel like getting out and voting) and explaining to them that this election is an important one and if there was one election where their turnout was important it would be this one, etc...
So the quote that was out of context looks like gibberish but when you listen to a lot of that speech and you finally get to that quote, he's just goofing around with Christians who never show up to elections.
"And again, Christians, get out and vote! Just this time! You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years it'll be fixed, it'll be fine, you won't have to vote anymore. In four years we'll have it fixed so good you won't have to vote again".
whatever he meant to say or not, the democrats would be stupid not to play it to their advantage in every harris ad and every liberal or left pundit till election day.
