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Lazerus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:21 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:20 pm

Lazerus wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:19 pm Jason,

Project 2025 is not a good blueprint to follow yet Trump and his crew seem to be following it somewhat from what I’ve seen. (I could be wrong) but, All I see is an attempt to move the country towards authoritarianism and that’s never worked well throughout history.

Anyway that’s my two cents.

I haven't dug enough into that to have an opinion yet. But I will take a look at some point for sure.

You should look into it. I’m curious to hear your opinion about it.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:41 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:31 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:22 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:17 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:06 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:58 pm He's a reformer, he's not going to "drain the swamp" by himself. He's starting a movement against the corruption within the government and if enough people follow suit over the coming decades then it will lead to a better outcome for our country. Trump is simply the turning point.

he hasn't indicated that in his actions, as it relates to the establishment and their power or influence. he has set in motion reform as far as rights that the citizens of the country had gained. and possibly also granted more power to the establishment, himself included as a probable second term president.

I guess we just see it differently. You could be right for all anyone of us really know. But this pattern of demonization and persecution against him from the establishment at the very moment he started running has never ceased, and it's too big of a coincidence for me to ignore. It leads me to believe that the corrupt people who pull strings behind the curtains who we don't see are terrified that he is going to strip away their stranglehold over the free world. And I think he's starting to chip away at it. Just my take. I could be wrong.

you could read it that way. that is certainly what he spouts out and a large part of the media and political establishment also parrot that message.

You're saying the political establishment parrots the message that Trump is going to stop the political establishment?

you seem to believe that the establishment is some kind of organization like james bond's spectre. i don't see it so simplistically. it's more of different factions with their own intentions rather than a top down kind of system where a blofeld figure or set of figures calls all the shots.

Nice observation. I've thought of them like Spectre actually, but yeah, there's no Blofeld type figure, just a bunch of different tiny factions that sporadically make up the whole of the establishment.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:46 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:41 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:31 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:25 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:22 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:17 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:06 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:58 pm He's a reformer, he's not going to "drain the swamp" by himself. He's starting a movement against the corruption within the government and if enough people follow suit over the coming decades then it will lead to a better outcome for our country. Trump is simply the turning point.

he hasn't indicated that in his actions, as it relates to the establishment and their power or influence. he has set in motion reform as far as rights that the citizens of the country had gained. and possibly also granted more power to the establishment, himself included as a probable second term president.

I guess we just see it differently. You could be right for all anyone of us really know. But this pattern of demonization and persecution against him from the establishment at the very moment he started running has never ceased, and it's too big of a coincidence for me to ignore. It leads me to believe that the corrupt people who pull strings behind the curtains who we don't see are terrified that he is going to strip away their stranglehold over the free world. And I think he's starting to chip away at it. Just my take. I could be wrong.

you could read it that way. that is certainly what he spouts out and a large part of the media and political establishment also parrot that message.

You're saying the political establishment parrots the message that Trump is going to stop the political establishment?

you seem to believe that the establishment is some kind of organization like james bond's spectre. i don't see it so simplistically. it's more of different factions with their own intentions rather than a top down kind of system where a blofeld figure or set of figures calls all the shots.

Nice observation. I've thought of them like Spectre actually, but yeah, there's no Blofeld type figure, just a bunch of different tiny factions that sporadically make up the whole of the establishment.

i'll bite. who is (or are) the public face of that establishment. what are their goals as you see them to be? and what has donald trump done or set in motion to disrupt those goals or dismantle that establishment?

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:00 pm
There is no public face of the establishment. The corporate media receives money and are controlled by the establishment to say whatever they want and push narratives.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:00 pm
There is no public face of the establishment. The corporate media receives money and are controlled by the establishment to say whatever they want and push narratives.

so there is no way to know who they are or what they want, you can use this to justify anything or demonize anyone. you can vote any way you want and hand wave away the opposition because the establishment can be anyone or anything you want it to be. i hope your vote is more based on some kind of evidence than that. but fair enough.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:00 pm
There is no public face of the establishment. The corporate media receives money and are controlled by the establishment to say whatever they want and push narratives.

so there is no way to know who they are or what they want, you can use this to justify anything or demonize anyone. you can vote any way you want and hand wave away the opposition because the establishment can be anyone or anything you want it to be. i hope your vote is more based on some kind of evidence than that. but fair enough.

You can't take everything at face value no matter what side you're on. Do your best to rid yourself of bias when taking in information, pull from an aggregate and most importantly, use your best judgment. Too many dots connected for me to believe the establishment has good intentions for the general public.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:48 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:00 pm
There is no public face of the establishment. The corporate media receives money and are controlled by the establishment to say whatever they want and push narratives.

so there is no way to know who they are or what they want, you can use this to justify anything or demonize anyone. you can vote any way you want and hand wave away the opposition because the establishment can be anyone or anything you want it to be. i hope your vote is more based on some kind of evidence than that. but fair enough.

You can't take everything at face value no matter what side you're on. Do your best to rid yourself of bias when taking in information, pull from an aggregate and most importantly, use your best judgment. Too many dots connected for me to believe the establishment has good intentions for the general public.

i didn't say take everything at face value. i didn't say to nod along to what a media source tells you. i didn't say just blindly support the political elites. i never said any of that.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:06 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:48 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:39 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:10 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 4:00 pm
There is no public face of the establishment. The corporate media receives money and are controlled by the establishment to say whatever they want and push narratives.

so there is no way to know who they are or what they want, you can use this to justify anything or demonize anyone. you can vote any way you want and hand wave away the opposition because the establishment can be anyone or anything you want it to be. i hope your vote is more based on some kind of evidence than that. but fair enough.

You can't take everything at face value no matter what side you're on. Do your best to rid yourself of bias when taking in information, pull from an aggregate and most importantly, use your best judgment. Too many dots connected for me to believe the establishment has good intentions for the general public.

i didn't say take everything at face value. i didn't say to nod along to what a media source tells you. i didn't say just blindly support the political elites. i never said any of that.

I never said you did. Just laying out a good blueprint to go about retaining political information. Had nothing to do with anyone in particular. More so how I approach it.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:58 pm Coincidences are piling up now. What are the odds.

Headhunter wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:16 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:58 pm Coincidences are piling up now. What are the odds.

So they filmed a commercial at a local high school years ago. They knew back then this kid was going to be an MK-Ultra patsy and wanted to show everyone the clues? What is even the implication on this one

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm The man who died got his wife and daughter to the ground and shielded them from the bullet that killed him.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:16 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:58 pm Coincidences are piling up now. What are the odds.

So they filmed a commercial at a local high school years ago. They knew back then this kid was going to be an MK-Ultra patsy and wanted to show everyone the clues? What is even the implication on this one

Blackrock is one of the most evil and corrupt companies, Larry Fink is a scumbag and the kid who shot at the anti-establishment candidate was featured in a commercial of one of the establishment's most prominent companies?

I haven't made up my mind on where the motif and involvement lies, but I'm not naive enough to ignore a huge coincidence.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm The man who died got his wife and daughter to the ground and shielded them from the bullet that killed him.

it sucks that he had to end up in that position, but good for him doing the best he could in the situation. too bad, his death will be used for political gain by the person he was there to see.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:31 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm The man who died got his wife and daughter to the ground and shielded them from the bullet that killed him.

it sucks that he had to end up in that position, but good for him doing the best he could in the situation. too bad, his death will be used for political gain by the person he was there to see.

Yuck

Headhunter wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:28 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm

Headhunter wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:16 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:58 pm Coincidences are piling up now. What are the odds.

So they filmed a commercial at a local high school years ago. They knew back then this kid was going to be an MK-Ultra patsy and wanted to show everyone the clues? What is even the implication on this one

Blackrock is one of the most evil and corrupt companies, Larry Fink is a scumbag and the kid who shot at the anti-establishment candidate was featured in a commercial of one of the establishment's most prominent companies?

I haven't made up my mind on where the motif and involvement lies, but I'm not naive enough to ignore a huge coincidence.

A lot of companies are evil and corrupt. He wasn’t featured, he popped up a couple times as a random kid in a commercial filmed at a high school of 1,300+ students. The deep state did not film a commercial so they could show off an MK-Ultra patsy they were going to deploy two years later at an event that almost certainly wasn’t scheduled at the time. This is not worthy of your time.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:32 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:31 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:25 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2024 5:21 pm The man who died got his wife and daughter to the ground and shielded them from the bullet that killed him.

it sucks that he had to end up in that position, but good for him doing the best he could in the situation. too bad, his death will be used for political gain by the person he was there to see.

Yuck

indeed, but no more yuck that claiming in several posts that it was an inside job.