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Also, it's funny that people are up in arms about this, but I don't hear anyone complaining about the guy who raped a 12 year old competing. He did get booed, though, so I guess that showed him.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:34 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:32 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:28 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:13 pm
So I am of the opinion that if Imane or any other person has XY chromosomes, then competing against females should be prohibited.

then it should be across the board. any athlete who is trans or intersex or chromosomally different should not compete against others of the gender they identify as. man or woman. as it should only be on the basis of physical advantage and bodily harm and not on the "dreams" of the athletes that they're facing. otherwise it is favoritism of some sort at play.

I can't speak to the favoritism bit. But yeah, at the end of the day this is a major safety concern.

i don't see much evidence of that, outside of fallon fox (and even that is largely based on what you've indicated to me ), but you're not gonna budge no matter what so yeah.

Are you talking about the olympics or committees having favoritism for certain fighters? If so, that is definitely the case. But all commissions are different, even within the U.S. it's different in every state.

Slaughterhouserock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:45 pm Also, it's funny that people are up in arms about this, but I don't hear anyone complaining about the guy who raped a 12 year old competing. He did get booed, though, so I guess that showed him.

If true, that person should never see daylight, let alone compete on a world stage. But it's the olympics and they've already proven how retarded they can be.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:45 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:34 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:32 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:28 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:13 pm
So I am of the opinion that if Imane or any other person has XY chromosomes, then competing against females should be prohibited.

then it should be across the board. any athlete who is trans or intersex or chromosomally different should not compete against others of the gender they identify as. man or woman. as it should only be on the basis of physical advantage and bodily harm and not on the "dreams" of the athletes that they're facing. otherwise it is favoritism of some sort at play.

I can't speak to the favoritism bit. But yeah, at the end of the day this is a major safety concern.

i don't see much evidence of that, outside of fallon fox (and even that is largely based on what you've indicated to me ), but you're not gonna budge no matter what so yeah.

Are you talking about the olympics or committees having favoritism for certain fighters? If so, that is definitely the case. But all commissions are different, even within the U.S. it's different in every state.

no. the favoritism bit is separate from this and not really important either.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:46 pm

Slaughterhouserock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:45 pm Also, it's funny that people are up in arms about this, but I don't hear anyone complaining about the guy who raped a 12 year old competing. He did get booed, though, so I guess that showed him.

If true, that person should never see daylight, let alone compete on a world stage. But it's the olympics and they've already proven how retarded they can be.

and actually political and media sniping and backlash against pedophiles would be appropriate and completely deserved.

talk about a safety issue.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:49 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:46 pm

Slaughterhouserock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:45 pm Also, it's funny that people are up in arms about this, but I don't hear anyone complaining about the guy who raped a 12 year old competing. He did get booed, though, so I guess that showed him.

If true, that person should never see daylight, let alone compete on a world stage. But it's the olympics and they've already proven how retarded they can be.

and actually political and media sniping and backlash against pedophiles would be appropriate and completely deserved.

The problem is too many people agree that pedophiles are scum. So you can't really get the general public at each other's throats on that one. Lol

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:50 pm talk about a safety issue.

Especially if they allow him to compete in the children's Olympics.

Slaughterhouserock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:36 pm Since there's a love of conspiracy theories, apparently the IBA has ties to the russian mob. After this lady beat an undefeated russian boxer, the IBA suddenly announced the test results, disqualifying her and giving the win to the russian. They're also apparently banned by the olympic committee due to corruption. That being said, I wouldn't call them a good source for any information on anyone.

just so there is a link or two to go along with this....

https://apnews.com/article/olympics-202 ... d35ca440e6

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory ... -112535354

The situation has arisen because the world championships last year was run under the auspices of the International Boxing Association, whose president, Umar Kremlev, told the Russian news agency, Tass, that DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events”.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... t-olympics



IBA Russian president, Umar Kremlev, claimed that DNA test results showed the two athletes have XY chromosomes, citing it as the reason they were disqualified in the world championships. The IBA also cited high levels of testosterone in Khelif's system.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-s ... t/5662035/




so, apparently, both the claim of too much testosterone (despite apparent claiming not to have done such a test) and bits of the too confidential to release karyotype test were carried out and released to the media by iba officials.

Looks like the olympics don't seem to care either way. Allowing for immeasurable physiological advantages to occur while also apparently ignoring allowing pedophiles to compete assuming that's true.

maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:46 pm maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

Having a massive advantage does not mean you cannot be beaten. I can tell you right now that this person was almost certainly never knocked out.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:46 pm maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

Having a massive advantage does not mean you cannot be beaten. I can tell you right now that this person was almost certainly never knocked out.

i can't find anything about imane being knocked out. i can tell you right now that fallon fox was certainly knocked out. totally by ashlee evans smith.

what does a knockout by a woman athlete prove though?

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:46 pm maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

Having a massive advantage does not mean you cannot be beaten. I can tell you right now that this person was almost certainly never knocked out.

i can't find anything about imane being knocked out. i can tell you right now that fallon fox was certainly knocked out. totally by ashlee evans smith.

what does a knockout by a woman athlete prove though?

Knockouts are more common in MMA. MMA is also a little less than dangerous than boxing.

Fallon Fox was not knocked out at all. It was a TKO victory where Ashlee's exceptional cardio outlasted Fallon's poor cardio and the referee stopped the fight because of the advantageous position of Ashley, with Fallon not properly defending because of excessive fatigue. The only thing it proves is that Fallon sucked at fighting and only won based on physiological advantages. Cardio is a killer and it's pretty much the only way to beat someone with a massive physical advantage.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:58 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:46 pm maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

Having a massive advantage does not mean you cannot be beaten. I can tell you right now that this person was almost certainly never knocked out.

i can't find anything about imane being knocked out. i can tell you right now that fallon fox was certainly knocked out. totally by ashlee evans smith.

what does a knockout by a woman athlete prove though?

Knockouts are more common in MMA. MMA is also a little less than dangerous than boxing.

Fallon Fox was not knocked out at all. It was a TKO victory where Ashlee's exceptional cardio outlasted Fallon's poor cardio and the referee stopped the fight because of the advantageous position of Ashley, with Fallon not properly defending because of excessive fatigue. The only thing it proves is that Fallon sucked at fighting and only won based on physiological advantages. Cardio is a killer and it's pretty much the only way to beat someone with a massive physical advantage.

then "tko" should not be listed as the result. fair enough though, i'll take your word for it.

you know a lot more about this sport than i do. has imane khelif done damage to a fighter that is far beyond the norm of boxing injury? give me just one example, so i can see your concern more decidedly.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:04 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:58 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:14 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 5:46 pm maybe imane khelif the accused xy superhero who can not be beaten (except the several times that she has been) should box the convicted pedophile volley ball player (who may as well not exist0 to death with her bare "man!" hands. that way everyone will be happy.

Having a massive advantage does not mean you cannot be beaten. I can tell you right now that this person was almost certainly never knocked out.

i can't find anything about imane being knocked out. i can tell you right now that fallon fox was certainly knocked out. totally by ashlee evans smith.

what does a knockout by a woman athlete prove though?

Knockouts are more common in MMA. MMA is also a little less than dangerous than boxing.

Fallon Fox was not knocked out at all. It was a TKO victory where Ashlee's exceptional cardio outlasted Fallon's poor cardio and the referee stopped the fight because of the advantageous position of Ashley, with Fallon not properly defending because of excessive fatigue. The only thing it proves is that Fallon sucked at fighting and only won based on physiological advantages. Cardio is a killer and it's pretty much the only way to beat someone with a massive physical advantage.

then "tko" should not be listed as the result. fair enough though, i'll take your word for it.

you know a lot more about this sport than i do. has imane khelif done damage to a fighter that is far beyond the norm of boxing injury? give me just one example, so i can see your concern more decidedly.

TKO stands for Technical Knock Out. When someone cleanly gets knocked out, it will just say KO.
The full fight is on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=remsCdsLLJM

I know more about the sport but I have not watched any fight other than the fight in question regarding Angela Carini. So I have no idea the kind of damage Imane has done to previous opponents, the problem is women in general are not built to take that kind of punishment and it can lead to deadly consequences. These events are qualified for a reason.

Like I mentioned earlier, the greatest female fighter in history is named Lucia Rijker. She had a combined professional record of 54 wins and 0 losses with 39 KOs. Multiple time world champion in Kickboxing, boxing and Muay Thai. Her record when fighting a man is 0 wins, 1 loss, and 1 KO. And she lost to an amateur male with no notable wins even in his amateur career. And she was knocked out pretty brutally. If we start allowing this mixed competition worldwide, we are going to see women dropping dead. There is just no question about it.

i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.

But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.

Jason wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:21 pm

zombie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:19 pm i understand, any fight can lead to deadly consequences. and if you don't meet the qualifications of a particular event or competition so be it. that goes for every fighter. duh. you want more than that.

But the likelihood of deadly consequences skyrocket when one person has the anatomy of a female and the other person with the anatomy of a male is hitting women with that kind of force. This is a huge, huge risk.

you're not gonna budge from your position. you're not gonna give me anything beyond the one example of fallon fox or the scary story of lucia rijker that doesn't actually relate to what we're discussing really. so i guess i'll concede this ground to you.